The Better Leaders Better Schools Podcast | The #1 Downloaded School Leadership ShowWhy Relationship-Building Gives Secondary Teachers Time Back With John Whalen and Doug Overton
Relationship-building in secondary schools has a reputation problem. Content-focused teachers stacked with seven or eight periods a day treat connection as a nice-to-have they don't have time for. John Whalen and Doug Overton, co-founders of Ed Tomorrow, argue the opposite: teachers who invest a minute or two in connection get instructional time back, because bought-in students need less behavior management. Whalen and Overton left stable school leadership jobs to build The First Five, a free daily email that gives teachers grade-banded ways to build connection, care, and character into the first minutes of class. They break down why kids buy into a teacher before they buy into the content, how to get a hesitant secondary staff to try it, and what they'd build if they started a school from scratch. THINK THROUGH YOUR NEXT LEADERSHIP MOVE https://myprincipalcoach.com — your AI-powered principal coach, available 24/7. ⌚️ TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Why secondary teachers resist relationship building 04:11 - John and Doug introduce Ed Tomorrow 06:19 - The phone call that led to a cross-country move 09:15 - How COVID sparked the First Five 12:45 - Winning kid buy-in starts with relevancy 14:00 - Why kids buy into you before your content 17:01 - Meeting hesitant teachers where they are 23:58 - Why middle school is the hardest band to serve 33:07 - How the First Five actually works 34:34 - The three Cs behind every First Five resource 38:56 - The message they'd put on every school marquee 41:44 - Three guiding principles for building a dream school 47:04 - The one thing to remember before you start a ruckus CONNECT WITH JOHN WHALEN AND DOUG OVERTON Website: edtomorrow.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/people/edtomorrow/100083061286304 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ed.tomorrow LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/edtomorrow Quick sign-up Form: https://www.edtomorrow.com/signup/ WHENEVER YOU ARE READY, HERE'S 3 WAYS TO HELP YOU DO SCHOOL DIFFERENT: 📬 Weekly newsletter: https://ruckusmakers.news/subscribe 📚 Monthly mini-books: https://ruckusmakers.media 🧭 Map your next 90-days: https://betterleadersbetterschools.com/principals-entry-plan/ TODAY'S RUCKUSCAST IN PARTNERSHIP WITH IXL IXL's adaptive platform finds every student's knowledge gaps, adjusts difficulty as they learn, and gives you a dashboard showing exactly where growth is happening. 🔎 Over 1 million teachers use it — get started at https://ixl.com/leaders ODP BUSINESS SOLUTIONS: ODP Business Solutions has supplied schools for 30 years — converting dead computer labs into STEAM centers, stocking multiple campuses, upgrading whiteboards to interactive displays — all from a single supplier through cooperative contracts. 🔎 Learn more at https://odpbusiness.com/education ORCHARD Orchard gives every student a personalized career action plan and scores readiness across 8 dimensions — a number you can take to your board. See how it works at https://betterleaders.orchard.careers/ KIDS FIRST EDUCATION Kids First Education builds professional learning around your district's priorities, your data, and your classrooms — not pulled off a shelf — and 98% of educators walk out ready to use what they learned. 🔎 Partner with them at https://kidsfirst.llc/leaders
