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Think Big, Buy Small

Harvard Business School

Are you looking for an alternative to a career path at a big firm? Does founding your own startup seem too risky? There's another compelling path open to you: acquiring a small business and running it as CEO. Co-hosted by Harvard Business School Professors Richard Ruback and Royce Yudkoff, the show is an extension of their courses on small firms, including Entrepreneurship Through Acquisition, which has been taken by thousands of MBA students, and their highly-regarded book, HBR Guide To Buying A Small Business, which has sold more than 65,000 copies. In this series, Rick and Royce guide listeners through the different milestones of the journey to acquiring an enduringly profitable small business, sharing insights on how to evaluate prospects, raise capital, and ultimately determine if this path is right for you.

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Monday · 47 min
From Searcher to Seller: The Long Road to a Successful Exit
Bruce Isaacson spent two years searching for a company to buy before acquiring a decades-old marketing research firm in 2005. Since that time, he has transformed the business, shifting its focus to litigation research and building a thriving professional services firm. In 2025, after years of growth, Bruce made the difficult decision to sell. In this episode, Bruce is joined by Rudy Scarito, the investment banker who advised him on the sale. Together with Rick and Royce, they discuss the patience and persistence required to turn around a business, the importance of finding a company that fits the entrepreneur, and why success sometimes takes longer than expected. Bruce and Rudy also share their candid reflections on the emotional complexity of selling a business, from choosing the right buyer and navigating “cold feet” to thinking about employees, succession, and life after ownership. The conversation offers a rare look at the other side of the ETA journey – and why, for some owners, selling a business is less about accumulating wealth or retiring than about building something meaningful and leaving it in good hands.
September 28 · 56 min
Reflections On the Evolution of ETA
Jeff Stevens, one of the earliest searchers and a longtime investor in the ETA ecosystem, joins Rick and Royce to discuss how search has evolved over the past thirty-five years. In this episode, he reflects on the early days of search, when the model was largely uncharted territory, and contrasts that experience with searching in today’s more developed – but still challenging – landscape. Jeff discusses why searchers should focus on building relationships and credibility with business owners, how technology has transformed the sourcing process, and the trade-offs between industry-focused, geographically focused, funded, and self-funded searches. He also shares his perspective on the growing overlap between search and private equity, the role of the entrepreneur-CEO in creating value, and why he believes the traditional search model’s emphasis on managing risk and buying strong businesses remains powerful. They also delve into why search success rates have declined as the ecosystem has grown, the changing role of investors, and the importance of distinguishing between simply buying a company and buying a great company. Tune in to this engaging conversation to hear how one of ETA’s original practitioners views the opportunities and challenges facing the next generation of searchers.
September 21 · 54 min
Should Searchers Look More Seriously at Franchises?
Michael Horowitz is a former searcher who acquired, scaled, and ultimately sold a portfolio of Wingstop franchise restaurants before becoming an investor in the ETA ecosystem. In this episode, he shares his unconventional journey to business ownership and offers an insider's perspective on what makes franchising a compelling but often misunderstood path for acquisition entrepreneurs. Together, they discuss the advantages of established brands, proven operating systems, benchmarking, and more predictable cash flows, as well as the tradeoffs associated with royalties, choosing the right franchisor, and managing multi-unit businesses. They also explore why franchise opportunities are often overlooked by searchers, how franchise portfolios are valued, why geographic density matters, and what role acquisitions and new unit development play in creating value over time. Whether you're considering a more traditional search or evaluating franchises as part of your acquisition strategy, this conversation offers practical insights on when and why franchising may be an attractive path to business ownership.
September 21 · 53 min
Should Searchers Look More Seriously at Franchises?
Michael Horowitz is a former searcher who acquired, scaled, and ultimately sold a portfolio of Wingstop franchise restaurants before becoming an investor in the ETA ecosystem. In this episode, he shares his unconventional journey to business ownership and offers an insider's perspective on what makes franchising a compelling but often misunderstood path for acquisition entrepreneurs. Together, they discuss the advantages of established brands, proven operating systems, benchmarking, and more predictable cash flows, as well as the tradeoffs associated with royalties, choosing the right franchisor, and managing multi-unit businesses. They also explore why franchise opportunities are often overlooked by searchers, how franchise portfolios are valued, why geographic density matters, and what role acquisitions and new unit development play in creating value over time. Whether you're considering a more traditional search or evaluating franchises as part of your acquisition strategy, this conversation offers practical insights on when and why franchising may be an attractive path to business ownership.
September 14 · 51 min
The Role of Culture in Scaling an ETA Business
After a self-funded search led to the acquisition of Ally Waste in 2020, James Crawley grew the company more than thirty-five-fold. What did it take to scale the business from a handful of employees to a nationwide operation, with hundreds of team members working independently across dozens of states? Many entrepreneurs focus on systems and processes when growing a business. James, however, argues that culture deserves equal attention. In this episode, he explains how a clearly defined mission and a set of core values – including an unusual "no jerks" policy – became the foundation for scaling Ally Waste. James also discusses why culture is more than a set of aspirational statements, how it shapes hiring and management decisions, why investing in people can become a lasting competitive advantage, and how leadership is ultimately about developing people who serve others. Whether you're acquiring a small business or leading a growing organization, tune in to learn how an intentional culture can become one of the most powerful tools for driving performance, building loyalty, and sustaining long-term growth.
August 31 · 52 min
The Rise of Long-Term Holding Companies in ETA
In Season Two, Kent Weaver, one of the most experienced operators and investors in the search ecosystem, joined Rick and Royce for a wide ranging conversation about entrepreneurship through acquisition. In this episode, they focus on the rise of long-term holding companies, vehicles designed to acquire and build multiple businesses over an extended time horizon. The conversation explores why some entrepreneurs are choosing to build companies over decades rather than pursue a single acquisition and exit, what makes a successful HoldCo CEO, and how disciplined acquisition strategies and operational playbooks can create long-term value. They also examine how long-term HoldCos differ from private equity and whether this emerging model represents a new chapter in the evolution of entrepreneurship through acquisition. Whether you're considering a traditional search or exploring newer models of acquisition entrepreneurship, this conversation offers valuable insights into an important development shaping the ETA landscape.
Dec 1, 2025 · 47 min
Season Three Questions and Answers with Rick and Royce
Hosted by producer Katie Zandbergen, Rick and Royce return for their end-of-season dive into listeners’ most pressing questions – those that many aspiring acquisition entrepreneurs wrestle with. They explore how age and personal finances may influence ETA risk tolerance; whether an MBA truly matters for success in a traditional search; how to handle the loneliness that often accompanies searching for and running a small business; where searchers commonly spin their wheels early on; how to evaluate red flags during diligence; the realities of buying a job versus a business; advantages and drawbacks of franchising; whether now is a good time to search; and much more. Packed with insights drawn from decades of ETA experience, along with stories and humor, this wide-ranging conversation is essential listening for anyone exploring entrepreneurship through acquisition.
Nov 24, 2025 · 52 min
Partnership, Purpose, and the ETA Path to Concierge Medicine
Partners in search, Nick Kerr and Shaquille Walker, join Rick and Royce to share their journey from risk-averse upbringings to acquiring HealthBridge, a concierge primary care clinic on Long Island. In this conversation, they discuss how their backgrounds, family considerations, and desire for autonomy led them to entrepreneurship through acquisition, while also reflecting on the emotional highs and lows of searching for, buying, and operating a small business. Furthermore, they describe what it’s like to partner with a founder who remains deeply involved in the practice, why concierge medicine offers an appealing model for both physicians and patients, and how they plan to build a differentiated, prevention-focused platform through thoughtful expansion. Along the way, the conversation explores physician burnout, the value of separating clinical care from business management, and the compelling alignment that strong operational leadership can create for doctors, patients, and investors alike.
Nov 17, 2025 · 38 min
Navigating Entrepreneurship Through Acquisition as a Family
In this special “Friends and Family Night” episode, Rick and Royce speak with Meghan Orzetti about the experience of entrepreneurship through acquisition from the perspective of a searcher’s spouse. Drawing on her personal experiences, Meghan shares candid reflections on supporting her husband, Season One’s Michael Orzetti – a Marine Corps veteran, turned searcher, turned CEO – through the uncertainty, sacrifice, and adventure of acquiring a business while raising a growing family. From deployments and cross-country moves to self-funding a search and closing on a deal, Meghan reflects on the practical realities of uncertainty, mobility, and financial planning, as well as the deeper importance of partnership, mutual support, and shared values. Her story highlights how clarity of purpose, open communication, and a commitment to family can transform the ETA journey into something deeply meaningful.
Nov 10, 2025 · 41 min
Reshaping One’s Career Through Acquisition Entrepreneurship
Ike Ukawuba was a self-funded searcher whose path to entrepreneurship began far from the boardroom. Raised in a single-parent household in Chicago, he began his career in engineering before discovering his true passion for business and problem-solving. After several years at Accenture, followed by experience at some startup ventures, Ike found his stride in entrepreneurship through acquisition – a model that allowed him to leverage his skills, take ownership, and build something enduring. In this episode, he reflects on his path from consulting to running a home healthcare company, the challenges of leading a large team, and the fulfillment that comes from making a difference in people’s lives. Ike’s journey is one of thoughtful risk-taking, resilience, and purpose-driven leadership, offering valuable insights for anyone interested in acquisition entrepreneurship.
Nov 3, 2025 · 52 min
Pioneering Search in Frontier Markets
In this episode, Rick and Royce sit down with Rob LeBlanc, Co-Founder at Ambit Partners, to explore the evolution of search fund investing beyond traditional markets. Rob traces his path from building an ETA platform in South Africa to backing searchers across frontier economies, offering an insider’s view on how entrepreneurship through acquisition is adapting globally. The conversation examines the unique dynamics of searching and operating in less developed capital markets – where relationships, local fluency, and cultural context often outweigh formal structures – and explores how factors such as currency risk, investor networks, and institutional maturity shape the search process. Through comparative insights between developed and emerging markets, this discussion highlights the expanding boundaries of the search model and the growing diversity of its global practitioners.
Oct 27, 2025 · 44 min
CEO Success in Operating Small Business Acquisitions
Michael Aubrey, having walked the path from searcher to successful operator and investor, draws on his wealth of experiences to offer a masterclass in small business growth. In this episode, he talks candidly about navigating early operational setbacks and hiring challenges, the strategies he employed to build a national salesforce, and why he believes a deep understanding of one’s customers is the foundation for real improvement and scale. You’ll hear reflections on employee compensation models, the critical role of company culture and accountability, and what it really takes to succeed as a CEO in the world of small business acquisitions. Packed with hard-earned lessons on management, grit, and the value of taking a hands-on approach to operations, Michael’s insights into leadership, hiring, and growth strategy are not to be missed.
Oct 20, 2025 · 28 min
Bonus Episode: The Art and Strategy of Negotiation, with Jim Sebenius
In this bonus episode, hosted by Adam Outland, we're featuring a conversation from our friends at The Action Catalyst, a top-rated leadership and entrepreneurship podcast. While Think Big, Buy Small focuses on the unique entrepreneurial path of acquiring and operating a small business, The Action Catalyst shines light on all types of entrepreneurs and the distinct insights they offer. This episode welcomes Jim Sebenius, renowned negotiation expert, Harvard Business School professor, and host of Dealcraft: Insights From Great Negotiators. In a wide-ranging discussion, Jim shares strategies and lessons from both government and corporate settings; explains the powerful “3D” model of negotiation; reflects on why internal negotiations are often the most challenging; highlights the value of keeping a deal diary; and more. Whether you're deep in deal-making or simply looking to sharpen your negotiation skills, this episode delivers wisdom, wit, and practical insights for everyone at the table.
Oct 13, 2025 · 47 min
Climbing the Revenue Ladder: Understanding Quality in Business Acquisitions
In this episode, Rick and Royce are joined by A.J. Wasserstein, Senior Lecturer at the Yale School of Management, for a deep dive into one of the most critical – and often misunderstood – aspects of buying a small business: revenue quality. Together, they unpack the full spectrum of revenue types, from transactional to contractually recurring, and explore how these distinctions impact everything from growth potential to customer retention, acquisition strategy, and valuation. With real-world insights and a clear framework for evaluating revenue during diligence, this conversation is essential listening for any aspiring acquisition entrepreneur looking to de-risk their investment and build lasting value.
Oct 6, 2025 · 58 min
The Journey From Engineer, To Entrepreneur, To Exit
Rick and Royce sit down with a former student of theirs, Paige Sopcic, an engineer turned entrepreneur, to discuss her inspiring entrepreneurship through acquisition journey. After leaving a promising career at GE and earning her MBA, Paige launched her search in partnership with an accelerator and acquired a specialty canning company called CanSource. In this episode, she shares how she found the business, scaled it rapidly through COVID-era tailwinds, and eventually sold it in a proprietary deal to a strategic buyer. Along the way, Paige reflects on the mindset shift from corporate employee to owner-operator, the value of structured support during a first-time search, and the challenges and opportunities that come with navigating growth amid operational pressure. This conversation offers a real-world look at risk, strategy, and leadership – and provides a great example of what it truly means to bet on yourself.
Sep 29, 2025 · 52 min
An Experienced Lender’s Perspective on Acquisition Financing
In this episode, we’re joined by Bruce Marks, a veteran SBA lender with decades of experience and well over 1,000 business acquisition deals under his belt. Bruce draws on his deep expertise in the acquisition lending space to reflect on the role of SBA financing in ETA, how lenders assess deals, the importance of debt service coverage, along with evaluations of risk, and factors that searchers should consider when evaluating SBA and conventional financing options. Rick and Royce lead a practical, insightful conversation covering deal structures, loan terms, and the importance of transparency with lenders, making this episode a must-listen for anyone exploring or navigating the acquisition process.
Sep 22, 2025 · 46 min
You Don't Need an MBA to Pursue ETA
It's always fascinating to hear the journey of someone who doesn't have a conventional MBA background but still finds their way to ETA, identifies high-quality acquisition opportunities, and then successfully buys and operates a small business. In this episode, we meet Tom Allsworth, who was in the Merchant Marine Academy and the Marines Corps, followed by some work experience at home and abroad, before acquiring Pacific Opportunities, a company that helps adults who experience intellectual or developmental disabilities to find and maintain employment. In 2024, he closed on a second acquisition, Trellis, to further expand his service offerings. In this conversation, Tom reflects on the process of finding and acquiring Pacific Opportunities, including why he considered himself to be “the luckiest guy in the world”; the magic in the multiples, but also how the multiple can change depending on which factors are included in one’s calculations; stroke-of-pen risk in government funded services; leadership, company culture, and building organizations with meaningful community impact; and more. Tom’s story is both inspiring and instructive – a compelling reminder that there’s no single path into ETA, and that diverse experiences can be powerful assets on the road to becoming an acquisition entrepreneur.
Sep 15, 2025 · 50 min
A Bird’s Eye View of ETA
Will Smith, Partner at Minds Capital, has been host of the Acquiring Minds podcast for over four years and, during that time, has had the opportunity to speak with hundreds of searchers-turned-entrepreneurs, affording him a true bird’s eye view of the ETA landscape. In this wide-ranging discussion, Will reflects on personal traits that set top-performing searchers apart; company characteristics that can stack the odds of success in a searcher’s favor, with a focus on quality of revenue; common pitfalls that can derail even the most dedicated of searchers; advice for new business owners, including the power of small gestures; and more. Whether you’re already running a search-acquired business, in the midst of a search, or still in the early days of exploring ETA, this episode distills years of hard-earned wisdom into one must-listen conversation.
Sep 8, 2025 · 52 min
The Value of Roll-Ups As Seen Through the Lens of Music Schools
Jeff Homer is the founder of Ensemble Performing Arts, an organization that provides back-of-house support to music schools, allowing teachers to focus on what’s most important to them, excellence in music education. Though there are now over seventy music schools under Ensemble’s umbrella, it all began with Jeff’s acquisition of a single school in Colorado, initially meant as a side hustle that would allow him to both work at his day job in a family office and to pursue his passion for music. What he discovered along the way, as he began to roll up more music schools around the country, is that many of these founders are immensely talented musicians but are far less interested in, and have not been trained to carry out, the administrative burden that goes hand-in-hand with music school operations. In this conversation, Rick and Royce ask Jeff for his thoughts on the value of lower market roll-ups and why he believes music schools to be high-quality businesses. They also discuss the perils of part-time search, and those rare instances when it just might work; why, in hiring, Jeff selects for senior leaders who have an affinity for music; his approach to financing the many acquisitions he's made; why Jeff decided against rebranding the schools that he acquired; his vision of the future for Ensemble; and more. Listeners will gain insights on not only creating value in a roll-up but also on finding creative niches in the marketplace to roll-up. It’s a fascinating conversation!
Aug 25, 2025 · 24 min
Where Are They Now? A Conversation with Nick Wheeler
Last summer when, after a self-funded search, Nick Wheeler was only a few months into his new role as President at Tra-Cal, Rick and Royce had a chance to speak with him about his early experiences at the company’s helm. In that Season One episode, Nick confessed that he was “drinking from the fire hose”, but he also believed that Tra-Cal had been a high-quality acquisition and was optimistically looking ahead to the company’s future. In this conversation, Nick reflects on the journey he’s taken since last touching base with Rick and Royce fourteen months ago. Together they discuss the ongoing evolution of the company, encompassing Nick’s own transition from an early-days learning mode to a current focus on growth; hiring challenges and successes; advice to current searchers on the kinds of skills that are important for successfully running a small business; what Nick most appreciates about his current role; and more. Our hosts also look ahead to Think Big, Buy Small’s third season, launching on September 8th, in which they'll engage in many fascinating, forthcoming conversations. Tune in wherever you get your podcasts!

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