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Untold stories. Real impact. The PM Podcast features raw, personal conversations with changemakers reshaping our world—from nonprofit leaders to grassroots heroes. Hear stories of tragedy and triumph, grief and grace, love and laughter. Whether you lead a mission-driven organization or just care deeply about your community, you’ll find inspiration in every episode. Hosted by Jay Frost. Produced by Jack Frost. Powered by DonorSearch.

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#159
October 3 · 1 hr 4 min
“Your Hand Is Forever on the Stove”: A Conversation with Bridgette “Bri” Simpson, Co-Founder and Executive Director of Barred Business
Bridgette “Bri” Simpson — co-founder and executive director of Barred Business, which works to expand opportunity and legal protections for justice-impacted people. Bri studied finance and accounting and dreamed of building a financial services firm. Instead, she spent ten years incarcerated in Georgia. When she came home in 2018, she struggled to find work, experienced homelessness, and encountered barriers to employment, housing, and opportunity. Those experiences helped lead to the creation of Barred Business in 2020. Since then, its work has expanded into reentry, entrepreneurship, voting rights, civic engagement, and public policy. In 2022, Barred Business helped lead the successful campaign to add criminal-history status to Atlanta’s nondiscrimination protections — work that has since helped inspire similar efforts elsewhere. In this episode, Bri talks about incarceration, reentry, stigma, and what she calls the permanent punishments that can follow people long after a sentence ends — and how she turned those experiences into a fight for dignity, opportunity, and full participation in community life.
#158
September 26 · 1 hr 21 min
“The Only Thing We Can Do Is Fight”: A Conversation with Daryl Upsall, Founder and President of Upsall International
Daryl Upsall is founder and president of Upsall International, and a nonprofit leader with more than four decades of experience working with organizations around the world. Daryl grew up in a small town in England, but from an early age wanted to see the world. He found his way into social causes through music and activism, eventually working in international development, human rights, and the HIV/AIDS crisis. At the Terrence Higgins Trust, he built the first professional HIV/AIDS fundraising program in Europe, working with Elton John, Queen, and others during some of the darkest years of the epidemic. He later joined Greenpeace International, where he helped turn around its global income, pioneered digital fundraising, and helped create the modern face-to-face model. Since 2001, through Upsall International, he has advised and recruited leaders for nonprofit organizations across the globe. In this episode, we trace Daryl’s remarkable journey through music, activism, HIV/AIDS, Greenpeace, and a lifetime spent working for causes — and explore what it has taught him about leadership, change, and making a difference.
#157
September 19 · 1 hr 8 min
"What Happens When the Cameras Go Home”: A Conversation with Jennice Fuentes, Founder and CEO of BoricuActivatEd
Jennice Fuentes is founder and CEO of BoricuActivatEd, a nonprofit that helps people understand government, find their voice, and become more effective advocates for themselves and their communities. Jennice was born and raised in Puerto Rico and spent 25 years working in the U.S. House of Representatives, eventually serving as chief of staff to Congressman Luis Gutiérrez. After leaving Capitol Hill in 2013, she founded Fuentes Strategies, a government relations and consulting firm providing advice to corporations, individuals, and nonprofits with interests before Congress, federal agencies, and the European Community. Along the way, Jennice also pursued another passion — acting — building a professional career that included appearances in Law & Order, Godless, and HBO’s K Street. Then, in September 2017, Hurricane Maria changed the course of her life. As Puerto Rico’s infrastructure collapsed and Jennice worried about family on the island, she heard a reporter say, “Without Congress, we are dead.” Jennice knew Congress. She knew how it worked. And she realized she could use that knowledge to help ordinary people understand the system, navigate it, and advocate for themselves. That realization became BoricuActivatEd. In this episode, we talk about Hurricane Maria, Jennice’s years on Capitol Hill, her parallel life as an actor, and what she has learned about power, civic engagement, advocacy, and helping people recognize — and exercise — the influence they already have.
#156
September 4 · 55 min
"People Are Not Made to Sleep on Concrete": A Conversation with Rowan Vansleve, President of Hope the Mission and Los Angeles Mission
Rowan Vansleve is president of Hope the Mission, Los Angeles Mission, and a longtime leader in the fight against homelessness in Southern California. Rowan grew up in Sydney, Australia, and came to the United States as a young backpacker, intending to continue around the world. But after seeing the stark contrast between the wealth of Los Angeles and the people living on its streets, he stayed — beginning a career that would take him through community development, microfinance, disaster recovery, and ultimately homeless services. In 2010, Rowan joined Hope the Mission, then a small organization with about fifteen shelter beds. Today, they provide thousands of beds each night, millions of meals each year, and operate dozens of shelters across Los Angeles and the surrounding region. Rowan has also become known for a series of extraordinary physical challenges designed to raise money and awareness for the fight against homelessness — running hundreds of miles through the desert, cycling across America, kayaking to Catalina Island, and completing fifty marathons in ninety days. In this episode, we trace Rowan’s journey from Australia to Los Angeles, explore what he has learned about poverty and homelessness, the limits of one-size-fits-all solutions, and his belief that lasting change begins with treating people with dignity, love, and respect.
#155
August 28 · 43 min
Our Work Begins at No: A Conversation with Jerry White, activist, author, diplomat, social entrepreneur, and a leader in the International Campaign to Ban Landmines
Jerry White is a humanitarian activist, author, diplomat, social entrepreneur, and a leader in the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, recipient of the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize. Jerry’s life changed at twenty when, while hiking in Israel, he stepped on an unmarked landmine and lost his lower right leg. He went on to co-found the Landmine Survivors Network and help lead the campaign that produced the 1997 Ottawa Treaty banning landmines. He later helped advance two more landmark international agreements: the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and the Convention on Cluster Munitions. Jerry has since served as a senior U.S. State Department official on conflict and stabilization, as a Senior Ashoka Fellow, and as the first Professor of Practice at the University of Virginia. Today, he chairs MADE IMPACT and teaches what he calls “humane leadership” through BeSeeDo. His books include Getting Up When Life Knocks You Down, Religicide, and his latest, Be See Do: The Art of Humane Leadership. In this episode, we trace Jerry’s extraordinary journey — from surviving a landmine explosion to helping build a Nobel Peace Prize-winning movement, shaping international treaties, serving in government, and developing a practical approach to humane leadership, philanthropy, and systems change.
#154
August 22 · 56 min
Happy Place: A Conversation with Stephanie Willis, Author of The Art and Science Approach to Fundraising Data and Research
Stephanie Willis is a philanthropy strategist, fundraising data and research expert, consultant, and author of The Art and Science Approach to Fundraising Data and Research. Stephanie has spent nearly 15 years helping nonprofit organizations strengthen their fundraising through better data, research, strategy, and donor engagement. Today, she is a consultant with Creative Fundraising Advisors, where she advises organizations on data audits, database strategy, prospect development, and data integrity. She also serves on the Apra Board of Directors and as president of the Apra Foundation. In this episode, we trace Stephanie’s path and the experiences that shaped how she thinks about work, resilience, and community — from the loss of her mother and the tornado that struck her town to questions about AI, data, and the future of fundraising and philanthropy — beginning with how she makes her workplace a “happy place.”
#153
August 14 · 1 hr 2 min
Politely Relentless: A Conversation with Robert Wolfe, Founder of Moosejaw, Zeck and CrowdRise.
Robert Wolfe is a serial entrepreneur and co-founder of Zeck, CrowdRise, and Moosejaw. He and his brother Jeffrey co-founded Moosejaw, the outdoor retailer later acquired by Walmart. They then partnered with Edward Norton to create CrowdRise, the pioneering online fundraising platform acquired by GoFundMe in 2017. In 2022, Robert, Jeffrey, and Edward co-founded Zeck, a technology platform created to rethink the traditional board meeting and help organizations make board communication, governance, and decision-making more effective. In this episode, we trace Robert’s journey as an entrepreneur — from building Moosejaw to helping transform online charitable fundraising through CrowdRise and now taking on the way organizations work with their boards through Zeck–starting with his Michigan roots.
#152
August 1 · 59 min
Papa's Mattering Notes: A Conversation with Bill Crouch, Founder and CEO of BrightDot
Bill Crouch is the founder and CEO of BrightDot, a nationally recognized fundraising strategist, speaker, author, and former college president. For more than 40 years, Bill has worked in higher education leadership, philanthropy, and nonprofit advancement. He began his fundraising career at Gardner-Webb University, Baptist Children’s Homes of North Carolina, and Carson-Newman University before serving for 22 years as president of Georgetown College, retiring from the presidency in 2013. He then joined Jerold Panas, Linzy & Partners as Senior Managing Partner. In 2015, he left the firm to found BrightDot, where he helps organizations strengthen donor relationships and build cultures of generosity. Bill earned his bachelor’s degree from Wake Forest University and master’s and doctoral degrees from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. A former trustee and Honorary Fellow of Regent’s Park College, Oxford, he is also the author of Start with Heart and the new book Mattership. In this episode, we trace Bill’s journey from childhood to what he calls “the fourth quarter” of his life — from ministry to the college presidency to national leadership in philanthropy and fundraising. Our conversation begins with the story of his tight-knit family, a neighborhood tragedy, and the conversation with his father that shaped the course of his life.
#151
July 24 · 1 hr 32 min
Think Bigger: A Conversation with Michael Wyland, Owner/Partner at Sumption & Wyland
Michael Wyland is a nonprofit governance expert, consultant, executive coach, writer, and partner in Sumption & Wyland. For more than four decades, Michael has worked across government, business, healthcare, and the nonprofit sector. His career has taken him from Capitol Hill and the oil and gas industry to nonprofit leadership, strategic planning, board governance, executive coaching, and organizational consulting. Michael has advised more than 100 nonprofit associations and charities, worked with dozens of hospitals and healthcare organizations, and presented more than 200 workshops, seminars, and keynote addresses. He also wrote more than 400 articles and features for The Nonprofit Quarterly, where he served as a consulting editor and editorial advisory board member. In this episode, we talk about Michael’s path from his newspaper route to a career in nonprofit consulting, the challenges of board leadership, and what his relationships with philanthropist T. Denny Sanford and his step-grandmother Margaret Towsley taught him about wealth, responsibility, and legacy.
#150
July 18 · 1 hr 28 min
Preacher's Son: A Conversation with Derric Bakker, CEO of DickersonBakker
Derric Bakker is founder and CEO of DickersonBakker, fundraising strategist, consultant, speaker, and author of A Better Way to Fundraise: Treat Every Donor Like a Major Donor. For more than three decades, Derric has helped nonprofit organizations strengthen their fundraising, leadership, strategy, and capacity for impact. What began almost by chance with his first fundraising position in 1990 grew into a career spanning frontline development, major gifts, capital campaigns, organizational leadership, and consulting. Today, Derric leads a national team of more than 50 professionals serving nonprofits across the country. He is also a leading advocate for reimagining relationship-based fundraising by using AI and emerging technologies to extend the principles of major gift fundraising across the entire donor base. In this episode, we talk about Derric’s journey from his childhood as an itinerant pastor’s son to the McDonald’s breakfast that changed his future trajectory, the work in fundraising that shaped his professional life, and his thoughts on living a life of purpose.
#149
July 4 · 1 hr 10 min
Bravo Box: A Conversation with Christal M. Cherry, Founder of The Board Pro and creator of Fabulous Female Fundraisers.
Christal M. Cherry is the founder of The Board Pro, speaker, consultant, author, and creator of Fabulous Female Fundraisers. With more than 20 years in the nonprofit sector, Christal has become a leading voice on board leadership, fundraising, equity, and belonging. Through The Board Pro, she helps nonprofit boards lead with love, courage, and strategy — whether that means navigating tough conversations, recruiting stronger board members, interrupting bias, or helping CEOs breathe again. Christal is also the founder of Fabulous Female Fundraisers, a network uplifting Women of Color in the nonprofit sector, and the author of the children’s book Mac and Cheez: Being Different is Okay. In this episode, we talk about Christal’s journey from New York to Atlanta and from Wall Street to nonprofit leadership, and explore the major events that have shaped her life and work.
#148
June 26 · 23 min
Older, Cooler Kids: A Conversation with Rohan Dileep and Beatrice Norman, co-presidents of Meals Matter, Recipient of the 2026 William R. Simms Award for Outstanding Youth in Philanthropy
Rohan Dileep and Beatrice Norman are co-presidents of Meals Matter, the Wisconsin-based, student-led nonprofit honored with the 2026 William R. Simms Award for Outstanding Youth in Philanthropy. Meals Matter began in 2024, when two Middleton High School students saw the scale of food insecurity in their community and decided to do something about it. What started as a grassroots food-collection effort now includes chapters across Wisconsin, Texas, and even South Korea. As co-presidents, Rohan and Beatrice help coordinate large-scale food drives, recruit and manage student volunteers, build community partnerships, engage younger students, lead outreach, and speak publicly about the urgency of food insecurity and the power of youth leadership. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, this conversation explores how Meals Matter grew from a local student project into a multi-chapter movement.
#147
June 20 · 37 min
Answering All The Questions: A Conversation with Jen Newmeyer, Recipient of the 2026 AFP/Skystone Partners Prize for Research on Fundraising and Philanthropy
Jen Newmeyer, CFRE is senior director of digital fundraising strategy at PBS, founder of CharityJen, author of Digital Fundraising Transformation, and recipient of the 2026 AFP/Skystone Partners Prize for Research on Fundraising and Philanthropy. Jen has spent more than 20 years helping nonprofits modernize fundraising programs, strengthen donor engagement, grow audiences, and build more sustainable strategies for the digital age. At PBS, she leads national digital fundraising strategy and transformation efforts supporting more than 150 member stations across the country. Before joining PBS, Jen directed digital membership at WHYY, led integrated fundraising at PBS North Carolina, and built the first comprehensive digital fundraising and engagement program at the Food Bank of Central & Eastern North Carolina, where online revenue grew from $150,000 to more than $1 million annually. She has raised more than $10 million online, managed multimillion-dollar budgets, led teams, presented nationwide, served on three AFP chapter boards, launched a podcast, published a newsletter, and written two books on digital fundraising transformation. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, this conversation explores Jen’s path into fundraising, why digital strategy still lags, and how nonprofits can build more integrated, experimental, and resilient fundraising programs.
#146
June 13 · 29 min
Silver Tsunami: A Conversation with Tatumn Zale, AFP's 2026 Outstanding Young Professional
Tatumn Zale, CFRE is assistant director of development at AllThrive 365 and one of AFP’s 2026 Outstanding Young Professionals. Tatumn has quickly built a reputation as a creative, disciplined, and deeply human fundraising leader. At AllThrive 365, she has helped revitalize donor communications, rebuild fundraising events, strengthen corporate partnerships, and grow both recurring and individual giving — including a 131% increase in individual giving in just one year. She now manages $6 million in annual grant revenue, has increased event sponsorship revenue by 233%, secured major gifts, and expanded practical in-kind partnerships serving low-income seniors. Tatumn is also the co-founder of Kindling Impact Consulting which works with small to mid-sized nonprofits. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, this conversation explores Tatumn’s journey into fundraising, how theater and sales helped shape her presence, storytelling, and connection with donors, how caring for a family member has informed her work with older adults, and what the coming silver tsunami means for philanthropy, nonprofits, and the future of care.
#145
June 5 · 33 min
Winner's Mindset: A Conversation with Amari Duncan, AFP's 2026 Outstanding Young Professional
Amari Duncan is director of philanthropic impact at Girls Inc. of the Greater Capital Region and one of AFP’s 2026 Outstanding Young Professionals. Although she entered the fundraising profession only four years ago, Amari has quickly built a record as a strategic, mission-centered, and community-rooted advancement leader. At United Way of the Greater Capital Region, she managed more than 40 corporate partnerships, helped rebuild Emerging Leaders United, and mobilized more than 1,500 volunteers across nine counties. Since joining Girls Inc. in 2023, she has led non-grant fundraising, modernized the advancement program, launched new signature events, and helped more than double philanthropic support. She is now helping lead Girls Inc.’s first capital campaign in more than 40 years. Amari also serves in a community leadership role with KIPP Capital Region and Albany Academy for Girls, where she became the youngest and first Black woman to serve as president of the Alumnae Council. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, this conversation explores Amari’s path from sports to fundraising, the role of mentorship, and how a winner’s mindset has set her on a course for success.
#144
May 29 · 28 min
The Cause Is More Important: A Conversation with Torrie Taj, AFP's 2026 Outstanding Fundraising Professional of the Year
Torrie Taj is a nonprofit executive, fundraising leader, educator, coach, and the 2026 Outstanding Fundraising Professional of the Year, the highest honor awarded by the Association of Fundraising Professionals. For more than three decades, Torrie has helped shape Arizona’s nonprofit landscape. She spent 23 years at A New Leaf, rising from direct service roles to executive leadership, helping grow the organization and expand housing, shelter, and support services for vulnerable families. Since 2015, she has served as CEO of Child Crisis Arizona, where she has led dramatic growth in both mission impact and philanthropic support, including a transformational campaign that created the Center for Child & Family Wellness. She is a longtime champion of ethical fundraising, professional development, mentorship, and what she calls an abundance mindset—challenging nonprofit leaders to think beyond scarcity and invest boldly in people, infrastructure, and mission. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, we explore her leadership journey, the lessons she has learned along the way, her abundance mindset, and the importance of growing things.
#143
May 22 · 44 min
Meet People Where They Are: A Conversation with Birgit Smith Burton, Founder of AADO and Immediate Past Chair of AFP
Birgit Smith Burton is a fundraising leader, advocate, author, and founder and CEO of the African American Development Officers Network. Birgit launched AADO at Georgia Institute of Technology in 1999 to create mentorship, professional development, and networking opportunities for fundraisers of color. During her 26-year career at Georgia Tech, she helped lead efforts that secured more than $700 million in foundation support for scholarships, research, and major initiatives. She also made history as the first African American woman elected chair of the global board of the Association of Fundraising Professionals. Along the way, she has become one of the most respected voices in the profession on leadership, inclusion, mentorship, and the future of fundraising. Recorded live in the Exchange at AFP ICON 2026, this conversation explores Birgit’s journey, the evolution of AADO, leadership in philanthropy, and what it takes to build a more inclusive and equitable future for the sector.
#142
May 16 · 54 min
$1 Trillion for Healing: A Conversation with Edgar Villanueva, CEO of the Decolonizing Wealth Project
Edgar Villanueva is an award-winning author, speaker, strategist, and founder and CEO of the Decolonizing Wealth Project and Liberated Capital. An enrolled member of the Lumbee Tribe, Edgar has become one of the leading voices challenging philanthropy to rethink its relationship with wealth, power, healing, and reparative action. His bestselling book, Decolonizing Wealth, sparked conversations across the nonprofit and philanthropic sectors about generosity, justice, and what it means to repair harm through the movement of money. Today, through the Decolonizing Wealth Project, Edgar is leading Moonshot — an ambitious 10-year effort to catalyze 1 trillion dollars in reparative giving grounded in dignity, reciprocity, and healing. In this episode, we talk about Edgar’s journey from home to national leadership, the spiritual dimensions of money and philanthropy, the resistance and response to his work, what reparative philanthropy actually means in practice, and why he believes healingmust sit at the center of the conversation about wealth.
#141
May 9 · 1 hr 11 min
Skinned Knees and Resilience: A Conversation with Sharon Kitroser, Co-Founder of Team Kat & Mouse
Sharon Kitroser is a fundraising strategist, partnership builder, and nonprofit coach with a background that spans more than 25 years in media and advertising and another decade in fundraising and nonprofit leadership. Today, Sharon is the co-founder of Team Kat & Mouse, where she helps organizations grow fundraising revenue through coaching, storytelling, corporate partnerships, and practical fundraising strategy. Before that, she led partnership and development work for organizations such as the American Red Cross and the Gift of Life Marrow Registry. In this episode, our conversation ranges from Sharon’s family roots on the Lower East Side, Europe, and South Africa to living upstairs from the Marx Brothers, life in radio, corporate fundraising, mental health, shocking family secrets, and why both children—and clients—sometimes need the freedom to skin their knees and learn resilience and independence.
#140
May 1 · 1 hr 18 min
The Trust Factor: A Conversation with Jackie Blackbird, Indigenous Communities Officer, Newman's Own Foundation
Jackie Blackbird is Indigenous Communities Officer at Newman’s Own Foundation and a leader advancing Indigenous food justice for kids. An enrolled member of the Aaniiih (Gros Ventre) Tribe and a descendant of the Nakoda (Assiniboine) Tribe, Jackie manages partnerships with more than 30 grantee organizations working across Indigenous communities. Before joining Newman’s Own Foundation, she helped lead her tribe’s economic development efforts and co-founded the Aaniiih Nakoda Community Foundation. Jackie also spent more than 18 years at Nike, where she led the N7 Fund—directing over $10 million to support sport and physical activity in Tribal and First Nation communities. Today, she continues that commitment through her work and through service on multiple boards supporting Native-led initiatives. In this episode, we trace her journey from tribal community to national leadership—and explore how culture, community, and philanthropy come together to advance opportunity and food justice for the next generation.

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