

515 — Is performance the real cause of burnout?
Most advice on burnout focuses on workload, stress and work-life balance. But what if the real cause is the act we put on at work? And if it is, what does that mean for an industry built on improving performance? In this week's episode of The Mindtools L&D Podcast, Ross G and Gemma are joined by Rabih El Khodr, keynote speaker and author of The Way Out of Burnout, to explore where burnout really comes from and what L&D can realistically do about it. We discuss: why 'performance' in the theatrical sense, not overwork, drives burnout how 'survival scripts' shape the beliefs that sit upstream of our behavior why resilience training for burnt-out people is like handing a drowning person a swimming manual, and what L&D can do instead Rabih's book, The Way Out of Burnout, is available now. Rabih explores survival scripts further in his TEDx talk, Burnout Begins with a Script. For more on Rabih's work, visit rabihspeaks.com. In 'What I Learned this Week', Gemma recommended an episode of The Rest Is Science, The Threshold of Human Sensation, which explores the smallest things our senses can detect. Her highlight was lugduname, an artificial sweetener hundreds of thousands of times sweeter than sugar. Rabih shared what he learned from trying the other side of Riverside, the recording platform used by many podcasts, including this one, as he considers hosting a show of his own. Ross G recommended a piece from Wired, Why Normal People Aren't Using AI Agents. It explains why agents are still a niche next to chatbots, and why organizations hoping to adopt agentic AI will need to be deliberate about how they support people. For more from Mindtools Kineo, visit our new website mindtools-kineo.com. There, you'll find out how we can help your organization build AI skills, and how our Skills Practice scenarios help build human skills. Connect with our speakers If you'd like to share your thoughts on this episode, connect with us on LinkedIn: Ross Garner Gemma Towersey Rabih El Khodr


















