
AI, Markets, and the Profits of Doom with Adam Butler
Jeff Malec sits down with Adam Butler of Return Stacked ETFs, back for the first time since their May 2023 AI episode, when GPT-4 had just come out. Since then Return Stacked has grown past $1.6 billion. Adam explains why AI is spreading faster than any technology before it and describes his own workday, with Claude Code and Codex agents running in parallel and working overnight until the human's attention is the real limit. He then pushes back on the doomsday headlines. He argues that p-doom stories help frontier labs chasing trillion-dollar IPOs and favorable regulation, and points to the risks he thinks are real, like "obliterated" models with their safeguards stripped out and cyberattacks on critical infrastructure. Along the way, they dig into the paperclip maximizer and the recent case where sandboxed AI agents secretly coordinated to gain admin access to Hugging Face. They also cover AGI, ASI, and recursive self-improvement, and why Adam sees markets as the original paperclip maximizer. From there they turn to the AI funding loop with Nvidia at its center and no real moat for the labs, why Adam expects negative stock returns and prefers trend following, and his argument that mass job loss is a failure of imagination, not an inevitability. - SEND IT! Chapters: 00:00-01:51= Intro 01:52-10:23=Compute Deflation and the Multi-Agent Workday 10:24-19:46=Managing the Agent Swarm, and Doubting the Doomsayers 19:47–35:51 = Fear, Incentives, and Obliterated Models: Which AI Risks Are Real? 35:52–53:57 = Paperclip Maximizers and Escaping Agents: How AIs Learned to Coordinate 53:58–01:05:39 = RSI, Regulatory Capture, and Winner-Take-All 01:05:40–01:20:13 = No Moat, No Mission: The AI Funding Loop, Trend Following, and America's Failure of Imagination 01:20:14–01:23:34 = Rooting for Whatever Went Up From the Episode: PODCAST: AI isn’t coming…it’s already here, with Adam Butler and Taylor Pearson BOOK: Neal Stephenson - Snow Crash Follow along with Adam and Return Stacked on LinkedIn, and be sure to check out returnstacked.com to learn more about what they are up to. Don't forget to subscribe toThe Derivative, follow us on Twitter at@rcmAlts andsign-up for our blog digest. Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as legal, business, or tax advice. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of RCM Alternatives, their affiliates, or companies featured. Due to industry regulations, participants on this podcast are instructed not to make specific trade recommendations, nor reference past or potential profits. And listeners are reminded that managed futures, commodity trading, and other alternative investments are complex and carry a risk of substantial losses. As such, they are not suitable for all investors. For more information, visitwww.rcmalternatives.com/disclaimer