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Episode 388: Global Real Estate Opportunities for Insurers

Greg Eudicone, Head of Global Real Estate Client Portfolio Management at Barings, discusses how the commercial real estate opportunity set is evolving across geographies, sectors, and the capital structure. He shares Barings’ perspective on why real estate has become a more selective market, with meaningful dispersion across office, multifamily, industrial, retail, and alternative property types. The conversation also explores relative value between real estate debt and equity, opportunities created by bank retrenchment, and the growing role of healthcare, manufactured housing, student housing, and other specialized sectors. Greg also discusses how insurers are approaching real estate credit, the importance of active asset management and origination capabilities, and why disciplined underwriting may matter more as volatility persists.

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Episode 387: NAV Finance: From Niche to Mainstream

Aryeh “Ari” Landsberg, Managing Director at 17Capital, joins the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast to explore how NAV finance has evolved from a specialized private markets solution into an increasingly mainstream portfolio management tool. He explains the fundamentals of NAV financing, including how lenders provide capital against diversified portfolios of mature private equity investments rather than relying on the performance of a single company. The conversation examines the forces driving greater adoption of NAV finance, from changing liquidity conditions and longer private equity holding periods to the need for flexible capital that can support additional investment in existing portfolio companies. Ari also walks through 17Capital’s underwriting approach, including diversification, seniority, low loan-to-value ratios, fundamental company analysis, and ongoing monitoring of portfolio performance and risk. Ari also discusses where he sees the NAV finance market heading as private credit continues to expand and sponsors hold investments for longer periods. He explains how NAV financing can support add-on acquisitions, talent investment, refinancing, and other strategies intended to maximize portfolio company value, while sharing his perspective on the importance of discipline, collaboration, intellectual curiosity, and adaptability as the market continues to mature.

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Episode 386: Growth Equity in Insurance Portfolios

Suzanne Gauron, Managing Director and Head of Capital Solutions for Growth Equity at General Atlantic, joins the InsuranceAUM Podcast to explore the role growth equity can play in institutional and insurance portfolios. She explains how growth equity differs from venture capital and traditional buyouts, focusing on profitable, rapidly growing companies with little or no leverage and returns driven primarily by business performance. The conversation examines how growth equity may provide insurers with exposure to return drivers that differ from the interest rate, credit spread, and leveraged equity risks already common across general accounts. Gauron also discusses where institutions are funding growth equity allocations, including buyout, venture capital, and public equity portfolios, as well as the growing range of investment structures available through commingled funds, funds of one, secondaries, and co-investments. Gauron also shares her perspective on the current private market environment, including prolonged illiquidity, pressure to generate distributions, valuation discounts, and how limited exit activity is creating new opportunities for growth equity investors. She closes the conversation with insights from her career, including the qualities she values in strong teammates and the importance of intellectual curiosity and an ownership mindset.

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Episode 385: Private Credit Beyond the Headlines: What Insurance Investors Need to Know

In this episode, Tim Warrick, CFA, Managing Director and Head of Alternative Credit at Principal Asset Management, discusses what insurance investors should know about private credit beyond the headlines. He shares Principal Asset Management’s perspective on the differences across lower, core, and upper middle market direct lending, including how leverage, covenants, liquidity, and borrower characteristics can shape risk and return. The conversation also explores why portfolio construction begins before a loan is originated, how active monitoring and downside testing can support capital preservation, and where Tim sees persistent value across private credit. He also discusses diversification, the role of the illiquidity or “inefficiency” premium, and how the market may continue to evolve as more investors enter the asset class.

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Episode 384: Identifying Alpha in Private Markets: A Discussion with Ares' Quantitative Research Group

Avi Turetsky, Partner and Head of the Quantitative Research Group at Ares Management, and Bill Kieser, Principal and Co-Head of Research and Data Science at Ares Management, join the InsuranceAUM Podcast to explore how quantitative research is changing the way institutional investors evaluate private markets. They discuss how investors can look beyond traditional measures like IRR and quartile rankings to better understand alpha, benchmarking, portfolio construction, and relative value across private equity, private credit, real estate, infrastructure, and secondaries. The conversation also examines what Ares’ research suggests about investing during periods of volatility and the potential benefits of taking a more contrarian approach to private market allocations. The discussion also looks ahead to the growing role of AI and machine learning in investment research, including how Ares is using data to identify potential credit risks and where quantitative tools may complement, rather than replace, human investment judgment.

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Episode 383: Evolution of Direct Lending: Relationship Based Lending Drives Relative Value

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Gavin Baiera, Senior Managing Director and Head of Performing Credit at Centerbridge, and David Marks, Executive Vice President at Wells Fargo Commercial Banking, to explore the evolution of direct lending and why relationship-based lending may offer a differentiated source of relative value. Gavin and David discuss how lending to founder and family owned businesses differs from traditional sponsor backed transactions, with a focus on leverage, covenant structures, borrower behavior, and long standing banking relationships. They also explore how pairing commercial banking relationships with private credit underwriting can open access to a broader range of non sponsored opportunities, support greater diversification, and help investors evaluate risks related to liquidity, AI exposure, and shifting credit conditions.

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Episode 382: Portfolio Management in Action: Turning Insight Into Performance

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA sits down with Tom Milewski, Managing Director and Head of Portfolio Management at Deerpath Capital, to discuss why active portfolio management can be just as important as underwriting in private credit. Tom explains how managers can use monthly financials, borrower-specific KPIs, dashboards, and early warning triggers to identify developing risks, learn from portfolio trends, and make more informed investment decisions. They also explore where outcomes begin to diverge between private credit managers, the difference between covenant-light, covenant-loose, and meaningful covenant structures, and why reacting early to signs of stress can help preserve value. Tom also shares what insurance investors should consider when evaluating a private credit manager’s approach to portfolio oversight, including how managers apply lessons learned and adjust their strategies over the life of an investment.

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Episode 381: Demand, Dispersion, and AI: Where Credit Researchers Are Finding Conviction

In this episode of the Insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, sits down with Bixby Stewart, Head of US Investment Grade Credit Research for Invesco Fixed Income, to explore where credit investors are finding conviction amid tight spreads, strong institutional demand, and a historic wave of AI-related capital investment. Bixby explains why today’s investment-grade market may deserve its historically tight valuations, highlighting stronger credit quality, attractive yields, improved liquidity, and persistent demand from insurers, pensions, and other institutional investors. He also discusses relative value across banks, technology, utilities, energy, and private credit, while examining the risks surrounding hyperscaler issuance, AI monetization, market concentration, and the need for disciplined security selection in a bond picker’s market.

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Episode 380: Private Market Priorities for Insurance Investors

In this episode of the Insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Sidd Chakravarty, Vice President of Investments at CoAction Global, to explore the private market priorities insurance investors should be watching as they prepare for 2027. Sidd discusses the growing role of asset-based finance, opportunities across non-agency mortgages and digital infrastructure, and the many ways insurers can gain exposure to the financing needs created by artificial intelligence. The conversation also examines portfolio construction in a “normal for longer” interest-rate environment, spread compression, emerging risks within private credit and the importance of understanding exactly what sits beneath each investment. Sidd shares his perspective on manager selection, insurance-specific expertise, regulatory developments and the value of peer networks as allocators navigate an increasingly complex investment landscape.

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Episode 379: Insurance Investing in Railcar Leasing

In this episode of the insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Ross Sylvester of Napier Park Global Capital and Katie Cowan of First Eagle Investments about insurance investing in railcar leasing. They explain how the asset class works, why industrial companies lease railcars and how contractual cash flows, specialized maintenance and long-lived physical assets can create a resilient investment profile. The discussion explores how railcar leasing may support stable income, inflation sensitivity, duration alignment and diversification within insurance portfolios. Ross and Katie also share their perspectives on North American supply chains, geopolitical exposure, asset-based finance and how insurers can evaluate railcar leasing alongside traditional credit and real asset allocations.

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Episode 378: The Structural Shift: How Insurance, BDCs, and AI are Reshaping Private Credit and Why the Lower Middle-Market is Built to Last

In this episode of the insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Trevor Clark, Founder and Managing Partner of TPG Twinbrook Capital Partners, about the structural changes reshaping private credit and the enduring role of lower middle market lending. Trevor explains why private credit should not be treated as a single, uniform asset class and discusses how manager experience, direct origination, disciplined underwriting, financial covenants and active portfolio monitoring can influence investment outcomes. The conversation also explores how insurance capital, BDC structures, retail redemptions, longer private equity hold periods and artificial intelligence are changing the direct lending landscape. Trevor shares why strong companies can still become vulnerable when overlevered, how lenders can use better data and monitoring to identify risks earlier, and what insurance investors should consider when evaluating both private credit managers and the structures used to access the asset class.

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Episode 377: Trade Finance: The Investment Opportunity In The Real Economy

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Maarten Offeringa of Federated Hermes to explore trade finance and the investment opportunity it creates within the real economy. Maarten explains how short-duration loans finance the production, infrastructure, and movement of physical goods through global supply chains, and why changes in global trade and bank regulation have made the asset class increasingly accessible to institutional investors. The conversation examines trade finance’s potential benefits for insurance portfolios, including floating-rate income, low duration, self-amortizing structures, diversification, and relatively low correlation with traditional fixed-income markets. Maarten also discusses Federated Hermes’ bank-partnership approach to sourcing and underwriting transactions, shares real-world examples involving aircraft and essential food supplies, and explains where trade finance may fit within an insurer’s broader public and private credit allocations.

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Episode 376: The Next Generation of Core Fixed Income for Insurers

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com Podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, speaks with Pramila Agrawal, PhD, CFA, senior insurance portfolio manager at Loomis Sayles, about how insurers can rethink core fixed income in a changing market environment. They discuss the expanding role of private credit, structured products and emerging market debt, along with the importance of liquidity, scale and consistent underwriting across public and private markets. Pramila also shares how technology is becoming more integrated into portfolio construction, risk management and customized solutions for insurance investors.

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Episode 375: Taxable Munis: The Original Infrastructure Credit and a Modern Portfolio Ballast

In this episode of the insuranceaum.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Emily Wiener, Chief Investment Officer of the TIAA General Account, and Dan Close, Head of Municipals at Nuveen, to discuss the role taxable municipal bonds can play in resilient, liability-aware insurance portfolios. They examine why municipal bonds remain a vital source of infrastructure financing and how taxable munis can provide high-quality, long-duration exposure. The conversation explores relative value beyond headline spreads, including credit quality, default and recovery experience, downside protection, supply dynamics, and the importance of specialized research. Emily and Dan also discuss how TIAA uses municipal bonds as portfolio ballast and why experienced market access matters in a diverse and highly specialized asset class.

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Episode 374: Why Infrastructure, Why Now.

Host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Nick Coxon, Managing Director and Head of Americas Real Assets, and Ben Taylor, Managing Director, Private Credit, at Macquarie Asset Management. In this episode of the insuranceaum.com podcast, they discuss why infrastructure is becoming an increasingly important allocation for insurers, including the differences between infrastructure debt and equity and the role of contractual revenues, inflation linkage, hard collateral, and long-duration cash flows in liability-aware portfolios. The conversation also explores the widening infrastructure funding gap, rising demand tied to digitalization, decarbonization, demographics, and power usage, and the growing role of private capital as banks retreat from longer-dated lending. Nick and Ben also highlight opportunities in infrastructure-adjacent businesses and explain how the asset class may offer yield, diversification, downside protection, and exposure to essential real assets.

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Episode 372: Commercial Real Estate Bridge Loans: Alpha in CRE Credit

In this episode of the InsuranceAUM.com podcast, host Stewart Foley, CFA, is joined by Jim Higgins, Head of Commercial Real Estate at Shelter Growth Capital Partners, to discuss the opportunities and risks within commercial real estate bridge lending. Jim explains how bridge loans fit within the broader CRE debt market, why they can offer attractive risk-adjusted returns, and how Shelter Growth approaches underwriting, asset management, and borrower selection. He also shares insights from more than three decades in commercial real estate credit and discusses the firm's focus on middle-market bridge loans backed by multifamily and industrial properties. Stewart and Jim also examine current commercial real estate fundamentals, including valuations, supply and demand dynamics, leverage levels, and capital availability. The conversation explores how CRE private credit compares with corporate private credit, the benefits of asset-backed lending for insurance portfolios, and why bridge loans may offer compelling relative value in today's market. Jim also discusses the advantages of combining residential and commercial lending platforms, the role of securitization and leverage in portfolio construction, and the characteristics he looks for when building successful investment teams.

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Episode 371: Commercial Mortgage Loans: Building Around the Insurance Balance Sheet

Morris Chen, Portfolio Manager and Head of CMBS & CRE Debt Investments at DoubleLine Capital, and Robert Stanbrook, Portfolio Manager for the firm's CRE Loan Platform, join Stewart Foley to explore how commercial mortgage loans can help insurers navigate today's investment landscape. Together, they discuss the differences between CMLs and CMBS, the benefits of portfolio customization, and why these strategies continue to play an important role in balancing yield, duration, and capital efficiency. The conversation also dives into DoubleLine's underwriting philosophy, the importance of borrower quality and loan structure, and how insurers across life, annuity, P&C, and health sectors can tailor commercial mortgage allocations to meet their unique balance sheet objectives. For insurance investors looking to better understand the asset class, this episode offers a practical framework for evaluating both the opportunities and the risks.

Episode 369: Finding Signal in Private Markets Noise

Bob Sharma, CFA, Global Head of Insurance Client Group at AllianceBernstein, joins host Stewart Foley, CFA, to discuss how insurers are navigating today's evolving private markets landscape. From geopolitical uncertainty and inflation pressures to AI disruption and higher-for-longer interest rates, the conversation explores the macro themes shaping portfolio decisions across the insurance industry. Bob also breaks down how insurers are thinking about private market allocations beyond the broad "private credit" label. He explains differences across direct lending, asset-based lending, and other private debt categories, while highlighting the importance of portfolio construction, regulatory considerations, and maintaining underwriting discipline in a changing market environment. The discussion also examines headline risk, board education, structuring considerations, and where investors may be finding opportunities as private market complexity continues to increase.

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Episode 368: From Origination to Execution: How Integrated Platforms Drive Value in ABF

Chris Edson, Partner and Global Head of Origination at Apollo, and Bret Leas, Partner and Head of Asset-Backed Finance, join host Stewart Foley, CFA, for a conversation on how integrated origination platforms are shaping the future of asset-backed finance and private credit. The episode explores Apollo’s “One Apollo” approach, the importance of direct origination, and how customized financing solutions are changing the relationship between borrowers and institutional capital providers. The discussion covers the rapid growth of the asset-backed finance market, structural protections within ABF transactions, and the convergence of public and private markets. Chris and Brett explain why long-duration institutional capital is increasingly aligned with long-duration assets, how insurers are approaching ABF as a core allocation, and why underwriting discipline, diversification, and collateral structure remain critical in today’s environment. The episode also examines global housing finance, corporate asset monetization, insurance balance sheet strategy, asset-liability matching, and the scale of opportunity across private credit markets. Throughout the conversation, the guests share insights into Apollo’s origination ecosystem, problem-solving approach, and how integrated platforms can create long-term value for institutional investors.

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Episode 367: Relative Value That Hasn’t Compressed: Why Commercial Mortgages Still Stand Out

Greg Michaud, Head of Real Estate Finance, and Stefanie Stewart, Head of Real Estate Investments at Voya Investment Management, join Stewart Foley, CFA, to explore why commercial mortgages continue to stand out within fixed income markets despite significant changes across the broader investment landscape. They discuss how relative value opportunities remain attractive, even as spreads in many other asset classes have tightened. The conversation examines today's commercial real estate lending environment, including property valuations, underwriting discipline, and the impact of interest rates on lending activity. Greg and Stefanie explain how market conditions have shifted from previous cycles and why stable underwriting standards and realistic borrower expectations are contributing to stronger lending vintages. They also break down differences across core, bridge, and construction lending strategies, discuss where investors are finding compelling opportunities outside of crowded sectors, and share perspectives on portfolio construction, risk selection, and long-term investment partnerships for insurers.

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