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Chris Danton & Kirsten Ludwig | IN GOOD CO

This podcast will dive a little deeper into bit of our weekly GOOD THINKING letter. Not a recap or a reading, just chatting more, unpacking, giving more insights—the fun stuff. Like the letter, the lens is a best-of-the-best on culture, trends, marketing, etc. What I’m dropping to friends on Slack or finding useful in meetings with brands.

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  • May 13 · 51 min

    Is AI making brands more human?

    We’re back with another edition of GOOD SIGNS — a monthly round-up of 4 letters, looking at what’s bubbling up. These aren’t trends (yet!). These are signals, patterns, counter-trends. Stuff that’s emerging, continuing, sticking out, or simply what we’re finding interesting in the last month. Enjoy! And let us know what you think in the comments. Skip to the bits you fancy 1. 02:53 — THE ART OF PERCEPTION // There’s a lot of anti-AI sentiment. But it is sure doing a damn good job at making people appreciate things most had forgotten to care about. Is it pushing brands and consumers to value humanity? * Marie Dollé says we’re moving from creating to validating. Do we think this is where we exact greatness? My gut instinct says: probably not * Jasmine Bina says we’re breaking a lot of unspoken contracts. * Spotify begins what will surely be an avalanche of “real” certifications. But where’s the line? And will they work? Did “Organic” help much? B-Corp? The list of reasons against this approach working is a mile long. * Matt Klein’s fascinating survey on AI says that Americans now default to “This is fake” six times more often than they default to “This is real.” Trust collapse isn’t imminent. We’re swimming in it. The messy middle is making us question everything. Pendulum Swing → Huo Qubing, a Chinese war epic produced by a 20-person team in 48 hours on $3,000 in compute, racked up hundreds of millions of views. There’s an appetite for AI-gen’d content, so long as you bring a perspective. 2. 19:16 — A BODY OF EXPERIENCE // The bar for brand experience is moving from “looked good” to “made me feel something.” The best examples are physical, sensory, and emotional. The metric brands should be tracking is: “it made me put my phone down.” * Neko Health turned a check-up into a beautifully memorable end-to-end physical brand experience, from space to staff to report. It was emotional. * Veuve x Yinka Ilori’s Chasing the Sun was five minutes, one room, both of us near tears. * Morioka Shoten sells one book a week and designs the entire room to make you feel the story. Pendulum Swing → People still want the “shot.” We saw it time and time again at Salone/Milan Design Week. The camera still eats first (for now). 3. 28:33 — GATHERING IS THE NEW MEDIA BUY // The clearest community signal is not “build a community” in the abstract. It’s hosting something people want to show up for. And who you are gathering is half of the value-add. * Dinner for One Hundred expanding from pop-up dinners, singles nights, young-and-old gatherings, and garden parties into its own restaurant/pub. * Mama’s Night Market, Resy’s up-and-coming chef program, live tuna carving, and “gays eating garlic bread in the park” are all pulling wild turnout. * Marimekko’s Salone activation turned the restaurant collab into the event itself. Not a logo slapped on a dinner. A gathering where both brands added value. * Nadine @ The Stanza says that the new currency in hospitality is the other guests. Pendulum Swing → Logging off is in. While you could argue that the above is a form of it. There’s still a performance in the above. The gathering is made for capture. But many are opting for untaped and 100% private. 4. 37:42 — OPERATING SYSTEM // Health is moving beyond “issues”. This is more than just “preventative.” Health is becoming ambient. Where everything is tracked, scanned, logged, and monitored on-going, and the adjustments are more regular. Places it’s showing up: * Neko Health keeps score of your moles for you. And tracks correlations for your “biological age.” * Eight Sleep Pregnancy mode auto adjustment and Barrière lactose patches. * M&S’s Nutrient-Dense line and Chrono-Nutrition products in Japan. Pendulum Swing → Nonnamaxxing and trusting your instincts is returning. 5. 43:34 — NEW PLAYERS // The appetite for sport isn’t crumbling, but the format is changing. Clips, niches, amateur leagues, women’s sports, new operators. Legacy players aren’t losing because people stopped caring. They’re losing because they keep judging the new behavior instead of building for it. Places it’s showing up: * Golf’s rebrand is accelerating, and now women make up nearly 30% of players and 60% of new golfers. And smaller brands are meeting the moment. * Ultramarathon participation is surging, and brands like Mount to Coast are targeting the niche. * Gymshark is moving into gyms. The line between apparel and operator has blurred before. But this time it makes sense. Pendulum Swing → ESPN has lost 40% of its cable subscribers over the past decade. From 100M households down to 60M. The biggest sports brand in the world is struggling to compete. The appetite for sport isn’t crumbling, but it is changing. And legacy players aren’t evolving quick enough. Letters and episodes referenced: * Old Navy is a secret athleisure giant * QVC walked (and went bankrupt), so WhatNot could run * Gucci was odd & Veuve and Dior wowed * Ganni has gone wrong * Milan Design Week unpacked * L.L.Bean has fully logged off. And many others have too. ABOUT Chris and Kirsten are the founders of IN GOOD CO, a consultancy that ignites challenger brands with fearless and proactive positioning. Chris writes a weekly newsletter for +17K subscribers that shares the best-of-the-best on culture, trends, marketing, etc. What she's dropping to friends on Slack or finding useful in meetings with brands | Follow her on Substack Get full access to GOOD THINKING at ingoodco.substack.com/subscribe

  • May 6 · 41 min

    The magic of cringe

    This week, Kirsten brings the talk she’s been giving to businesses, schools, and anyone who will listen to the pod: embracing cringe. This isn’t a keynote in a pod, it’s a discussion about something we have both lived through. Continue to live through. We talk about why cringe is a “compass pointing you toward the thing that matters”. We get into what cringe actually is (not a confidence problem), the science behind why we move away from discomfort, how to find your climbing partner for cringe mountain, and what brands can learn from all of it. A vulnerable but fun topic. Enjoy! Hit the links to skip to the bits you fancy 01:26 — CRINGE MOUNTAIN // What cringe actually is: not a confidence problem, but the feeling of getting vulnerable, taking the mask off, and doing something anyway. 05:00 — WHAT IT UNLOCKS // Tackling shame. And why cringe never fully goes away, it just gets easier. 08:24 — THE SCIENCE OF DISCOMFORT // The amygdala, a saber-tooth tiger, and reframing discomfort. 11:13 — EVERYBODY STARTS AT THE BOTTOM // Kirsten was mortified by her first LinkedIn post. Chris didn’t want to do the podcast. Nobody starts halfway up cringe mountain. 15:00 — BECOMING A SHERPA // How to climb with someone else and why nudging people onto the mountain means you can’t quit (a helpful incentive!) 18:34 — BRANDS ON CRINGE MOUNTAIN // The brands doing it best have climbed. 23:00 — UP ALL NIGHT EITHER WAY // You’re up all night cringing that you said the thing, or up all night cringing you didn’t. 28:31 — A CRINGE BUCKET LIST // Success, MC’ing a conference in London, perimenopause, vulnerable parenting, and the next leg of this journey. 35:15 — HATERS + THE SPOTLIGHT EFFECT // The bigger your stage, the more people poo-poo it. Also: nobody’s watching you climb out of the pool. Just begin. That’s all, folx. – Chris If you listened or read this and liked it, that little heart is there for that. The algo and I appreciate it. PS. Find us on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube. ABOUT Chris and Kirsten are the founders of IN GOOD CO, a consultancy that ignites challenger brands with fearless and proactive positioning. Chris writes a weekly newsletter for +17K subscribers that shares the best-of-the-best on culture, trends, marketing, etc. What she's dropping to friends on Slack or finding useful in meetings with brands | Follow her on Substack Get full access to GOOD THINKING at ingoodco.substack.com/subscribe

  • April 29 · 1 hr 11 min

    Milan Design Week unpacked

    This week, we unpack the marathon essay that was this week’s Sunday letter about Salone (Milan Design Week). We hit 15+ experiences across four days: Marimekko, Dior, Gucci, Veuve Clicquot, Hermès, IKEA, H&M x Kelly Wearstler, USM, La Double J, Marni, and more. What worked, what missed, and the formula we’d hand every brand team heading there next year. Enjoy! Hit the links to skip to the bits you fancy 00:01 — MILAN DESIGN WEEK // What Salone is, why Fuori is where the brand action really happens, and why this is bigger than Cannes. 05:03 — CLAUDE SAVES THE DAY // 1,000 photos, a personal crisis, and solving it with Claude Code. 09:18 — SPECTACLE FOR SPECTACLE’S SAKE // Corso Como and Gentle Monster. Beautiful for the drone, a little underwhelming in person. 14:44 — MARIMEKKO // A 45-minute walk to a hidden garden. Very worth it. 22:43 — IKEA // Meatball chupa chups, design collabs, and why the Milan public might completely change your strategy. 30:20 — THE PHOTO PROBLEM // Mosca’s pink labyrinth and guaranteeing “the shot.” 32:37 — H&M x KELLY WEARSTLER + USM x SNØHETTA // Turning furniture into the art. 38:19 — DIOR + GUCCI // One was a memory. One had unexplained soda cans. 44:10 — VEUVE x YINKA ILORI // Chasing the Sun: five minutes, one room, both of us near tears. 48:53 — HERMÈS, SKODA, NIKE // Understated and refined, formulaic but cool, artistic but not an ‘experience’. 54:14 — LA DOUBLE J + MARNI + THE BEST PARTY // A transformative gong, a two-month café takeover, and Honey Dijon confirming that partying is, in fact, not dead. 01:02:14 — THE FORMULA // Photo ops, brand ambassadors, spectacle that makes a memory, setting the course for the future and PS. Please put yourself on Google Maps. The full write up ABOUT Chris and Kirsten are the founders of IN GOOD CO, a consultancy that ignites challenger brands with fearless and proactive positioning. Chris writes a weekly newsletter for +17K subscribers that shares the best-of-the-best on culture, trends, marketing, etc. What she's dropping to friends on Slack or finding useful in meetings with brands | Follow her on Substack PS. Find us on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube. And if you’d like to sponsor the pod, please reach out to hello@weareingoodco.com. Get full access to GOOD THINKING at ingoodco.substack.com/subscribe

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