Beyond the Resume

Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker

Co-hosted by industry veterans, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker, the weekly Beyond the Resume Podcast features interviews with some of the best known real estate experts in the U.S. By exploring how they built their successful careers and the impact they have made to the communities around them we hope to educate and inspire anyone building or thinking of building a career in real estate. Join us as we go Beyond the Resume.

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S1 · E33
Monday · 34 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Ann Caruana (A different kind of equity)
What does it take to build a successful affordable housing investment platform and a career that keeps evolving? We sit down with Ann Caruana, President and Chief Investment Officer at Preservation Equity Fund Advisors (PEFA), to explore affordable housing preservation, real estate investing, and the experiences that shaped her leadership. Ann shares how she joined PEFA as its first full-time employee in 2018 and helped grow the platform from a $25 million prototype fund to nearly $600 million in assets under management. She explains how her team uses data analytics to evaluate investment opportunities across more than 3,000 U.S. counties and identify markets where affordable housing preservation makes financial sense. We trace Ann's journey from Ohio to California, where she arrived with just $2,000, and through a career in multifamily real estate, acquisitions, and market research. She reflects on the mentors who pushed her outside her comfort zone and how a corporate merger ultimately led her into affordable housing. We also explore the differences between Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) development and preservation acquisitions, including financing, rent growth, renovations, and the challenges of today's interest-rate environment. Beyond real estate, Ann discusses an innovative company-wide AI training initiative, balancing executive leadership with family life, what she looks for when hiring, and why supportive mentorship matters. CHAPTERS (00:20) Meet Ann Caruana and PEFA (02:53) Using data to identify investment markets (05:11) Growing up in Ohio and moving to California (07:37) Finding her path in multifamily real estate (09:26) The power of mentorship (10:57) Research and forecasting rent growth (12:49) A corporate merger and career pivot (15:47) LIHTC development vs. affordable housing preservation (19:09) Investment markets and interest-rate challenges (22:06) The Hot Seat: A book recommendation (32:15) Mentors and leadership philosophy ---- YouTube: https://youtu.be/RCGXTAONiAk Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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November 2 · 41 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Russell Flicker (Success isn't a straight line)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we welcome a guest five years in the making: Russell Flicker, co-founder of AWH Partners. We follow Russ’s unconventional journey from law school to dot-com-era startup to real estate investing and building a hospitality business that now owns 24 hotels. Russ takes us back to the career pivots that shaped his path. He also explains why he left an executive position during the Recession, despite having two young children, to launch AWH Partners. We learn how hotel acquisitions, property management, and renovations work together within the firm — and why the responsibility of supporting employees has become one of his most important lessons as a business owner. We examine the impact of COVID-19 on the hotel industry, including shutdowns, threatened investments, emergency borrowing, and efforts to keep employees on payroll. Russ describes a recovery complicated by inflation, higher interest rates, and reduced hotel transaction activity. He also explains where AWH sees opportunity today, from newer cash-flowing properties overlooked by large investment funds to distressed hotels requiring substantial renovations. We then explore how AWH’s years of collecting and standardizing hotel financial data created a foundation for AI-powered underwriting, allowing the team to evaluate more deals with greater speed and consistency. And there’s more to Russ than business. We talk pickleball, weightlifting, and his unexpected pursuit of stand-up comedy. Finally, we discuss why careers are marathons rather than straight lines, how professional reputation can open doors decades later, and what Russ learned from mentors and partners along the way. CHAPTERS (00:20) Meet Russ Flicker of AWH Partners (02:09) Building a Hotel Investment and Management Company (04:03) From Law School to a Failed Startup (07:32) An Unexpected Meeting with Donald Trump (11:21) Leaving a Steady Paycheck to Become an Entrepreneur (13:22) The Responsibility of Leading a Team (15:37) Surviving COVID-19 in the Hotel Industry (20:48) Opportunities in Today's Hotel Market (24:09) Turning Hotel Data into an AI Advantage (30:31) The Hot Seat (36:07) Career Advice, Reputation, and Relationships (38:38) Mentors Who Made a Difference YouTube: https://youtu.be/iyu5EGXmNBI Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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October 26 · 36 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Carlina Rivera (From Section 8 to CEO)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we welcome Carlina Rivera, President and CEO of the New York State Association for Affordable Housing (NYSAFAH), for a conversation about affordable housing, public service, leadership, and community advocacy. Drawing on her experience as a New York City Council Member, tenant advocate, and legislative staffer, Carlina explores the challenges facing affordable housing development in New York. From rising construction and insurance costs to housing policy, public-private partnerships, and the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC), she explains how NYSAFAH advocates for the production and preservation of affordable homes. Carlina also reflects on her upbringing in public housing and Section 8 housing on Manhattan's Lower East Side, her early experiences at the Marist Poll, and her involvement with the Essex Crossing development. She shares how these experiences shaped her commitment to public service and housing stability. Beyond policy, the conversation explores balancing family and leadership, expanding NYSAFAH's reach, mentoring future professionals, and why storytelling matters in affordable housing. CHAPTERS (00:20) Welcome and Introductions (01:34) NYSAFAH and New York's Affordable Housing Crisis (03:04) Rising Housing Costs and Policy Challenges (04:14) From City Council to Housing Advocacy (07:10) Journalism, Polling, and Early Career Lessons (11:44) Essex Crossing and Community Development (12:55) The Roots of Public Service (17:05) The Benefits of NYSAFAH Membership (18:52) A Day in the Life of NYSAFAH's CEO (21:00) Expanding Affordable Housing Advocacy (24:28) Transit-Oriented Development and Housing (26:45) Balancing Family and Leadership (28:16) The Hot Seat (32:01) Hiring, Storytelling, and Building Teams (33:42) Mentorship and Career Lessons YouTube: https://youtu.be/FfOgrhkbElg Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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October 19 · 40 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Allison Smith (The mission needs the math)
What does it take to lead an affordable housing organization, build meaningful public-private partnerships, and turn financial expertise into lasting community impact? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, host Chris Papa sits down with Allison Smith, CEO of the Texas Housing Foundation, to explore her unconventional journey from accounting to executive leadership in affordable housing. Allison shares how her early nonprofit experience in Rwanda shaped her commitment to service, how an unexpected layoff led her into affordable housing, and why financial discipline is essential to sustaining a mission-driven organization. She explains how the Texas Housing Foundation partners with developers and local governments to create and preserve affordable housing through property tax exemptions, financing tools, and community partnerships. The conversation also explores Allison's leadership philosophy, the importance of mentorship, building strong teams, and the organization's evolving strategy to address housing needs across rural and suburban Texas. From navigating local government approvals to prioritizing community relationships, Allison offers valuable insights for aspiring leaders and professionals pursuing careers in affordable housing and nonprofit management. CHAPTERS 00:15 – Meet Allison Smith and the Texas Housing Foundation 02:13 – How Affordable Housing Partnerships Work in Texas 04:29 – Property Tax Exemptions and Local Government Approvals 06:44 – Asset Management and Accountability in Affordable Housing 08:11 – From Accounting to a Career in Affordable Housing 10:59 – An Unexpected Career Turning Point 13:11 – Why Financial Discipline Matters in Mission-Driven Work 16:51 – The Responsibilities of a CEO 18:16 – Family Values, Mentorship, and a Commitment to Service 22:35 – Life-Changing Lessons from Rwanda 24:36 – The Future of Affordable Housing in Texas 30:11 – The Hot Seat 33:19 – What Allison Looks for When Hiring 35:08 – Mentorship, Communication, and Building Strong Teams YouTube: https://youtu.be/DJ52S6y_qjA Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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October 12 · 27 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Robert Sessa (Investing in more than money)
What does success look like beyond a paycheck? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, hosts Lisa Flicker and Chris Papa welcome Bob Sessa to explore career development, institutional real estate investing, leadership, and finding purpose in professional life. From competitive swimming and public accounting to managing real estate investments for a public pension fund, Bob shares the experiences that shaped his career. He discusses turning down a banking opportunity offering three times the salary, choosing work-life balance over financial gain, and how volunteering transformed his perspective on success. Bob also offers valuable career advice on intellectual curiosity, critical thinking, mentorship, and the importance of resilience. Through personal stories and professional insights, he demonstrates why meaningful careers are built on more than technical expertise. Whether you're an aspiring real estate investor, young professional, or experienced leader, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on building a fulfilling career. CHAPTERS (01:15) Early Influences and Career Beginnings (04:00) Lessons from Public Accounting (05:20) Volunteering and Finding Purpose (09:25) Choosing Work-Life Balance Over Salary (11:50) Inside Institutional Real Estate Investing (16:00) Discipline, Resilience and Critical Thinking (18:30) The Hot Seat: Books and Personal Interests (20:50) Meditation and Staying Grounded (22:50) Hiring, Leadership and Intellectual Curiosity (24:35) Mentorship and Lessons for the Next Generation YouTube: https://youtu.be/1oxQrqxOmjQ
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October 5 · 23 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Paul Salib (Start small, stay patient)
Paul Salib joins Beyond the Resume to discuss a career spanning real estate investment, bridge lending, and affordable housing development. From learning the business at Redstone Partners to building and selling a substantial New York portfolio, Paul explains how changing market conditions pushed him to adapt, manage risk, and pursue new opportunities. Paul also shares how CRP Affordable Housing and Community Development expanded into California and why affordable housing has become such an important part of his work. He discusses serving populations including veterans, farmworkers, active military members, and young adults at risk of homelessness. The conversation also explores leadership, breaking into affordable housing, the value of strong partnerships, hiring for work ethic and attention to detail, and the mentors who shaped Paul’s career. His advice throughout is simple: start small, stay patient, build relationships, and be willing to adjust when the market changes. CHAPTERS (00:42) Building a Real Estate Business in New York (03:25) From Ownership to Bridge Lending (05:42) Returning to Affordable Housing (07:46) Developing Affordable Housing Across California (09:52) Knowing When to Pivot Your Strategy (11:28) How to Break Into Affordable Housing (13:49) What Does a CEO Actually Do? (14:59) From Sports Television to Real Estate (18:41) The Hot Seat (21:00) Routine and Staying Productive (24:20) Mentors Who Shaped His Career YouTube: https://youtu.be/1wX65Jfcb-c Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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September 28 · 42 min
Beyond the Resume with Andrea Kretchmer (The career you never planned)
Andrea Kretchmer’s career was never supposed to lead to affordable housing development—and that is exactly what makes her story such a compelling fit for Beyond the Resume. Andrea, a principal and founder of Xenolith Partners LLC, joins Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker to trace a career that began in science. After studying geology and earning a master’s degree, Andrea worked as an environmental consultant conducting soil and groundwater investigations. She later stepped away from her career for a decade to raise her family, volunteer in her community, and develop skills she would eventually bring into an entirely different profession. When she was ready to return to work, Andrea approached her father, longtime real estate developer Jerry Kretchmer, about working together. Their search for an opportunity led them to affordable housing, where Andrea could combine real estate development with the community-focused work she had grown to value. Her earliest projects included successful New York City RFPs in Coney Island and East New York—but the 2008 recession dramatically altered their plans and taught Andrea just how much patience development can require. Andrea also explains how she and Terry Belkas Mitchell founded Xenolith in 2016 and built a company around partnerships, complementary skill sets, and affordable and supportive housing development. She discusses the importance of earning credibility with lenders and investors, expanding into Connecticut, collaborating with nonprofit organizations, and maintaining what she calls a “pleasantly persistent” approach to the business. The conversation also explores Andrea’s strength as a connector: networking, mentoring younger professionals, participating in industry organizations, and helping others gain access to relationships and knowledge that benefited her earlier in her own career. Andrea closes by reflecting on returning to work after ten years away, recognizing life experience as legitimate professional experience, building teams with people whose skills complement her own, and acknowledging the mentors and partners who helped make her career possible. CHAPTERS (01:02) Building affordable and supportive housing through partnerships (03:31) From geology to environmental consulting (05:55) Stepping away from work to raise a family (07:26) Returning to work and discovering affordable housing (08:47) Winning Andrea’s first New York City development projects (12:06) Why affordable housing became the right career (16:59) Breaking into development and learning the business (19:50) Growing Xenolith beyond New York City (24:23) Networking, mentorship and the “people business” (28:25) What’s next for Xenolith (33:19) Returning to the workforce after a 10-year career break (36:05) The Beyond the Resume Hot Seat (38:44) What Andrea looks for in partners and colleagues (40:11) The people who helped shape Andrea’s career YouTube: https://youtu.be/g29vTeErK7I?si=nLAxxF93CSbvaL2e Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S1 · E38
September 21 · 32 min
Beyond the Resume Podcast with Susan Dimikele (The next right thing)
Susan DiMickele spent 21 years in Big Law before making a career pivot that ultimately led her to become President and CEO of National Church Residences. In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Susan joins Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker to discuss the experiences, decisions, and leadership lessons that shaped her path from attorney to nonprofit housing executive. Susan shares how her father’s end-of-life journey, the needs of her family, and a longstanding desire to do mission-driven work helped push her toward a new chapter. After serving on the National Church Residences board, she joined the organization as its first general counsel, then expanded into innovation, home- and community-based services, senior living, and healthcare before eventually stepping into the CEO role. The conversation explores National Church Residences’ work serving older adults through affordable housing and services including service coordination, home health, hospice, primary care, caregiver support, and benefits navigation. Susan also discusses the growing population of older adults, the rise in homelessness among seniors, the difficulty of getting affordable housing deals done, and the organization’s goal of serving 100,000 older adults by 2030. Susan also breaks down what leadership looks like from the CEO seat: surrounding yourself with talented people, giving them the tools they need, and staying accountable to the organization’s vision. She identifies talent as one of the biggest factors in reaching National Church Residences’ growth goals and explains why adaptable people with a growth mindset will be increasingly important as roles and technology continue to change. For professionals considering a career change, Susan offers a clear message: be willing to make a lateral move or even take a pay cut, focus on the “next right thing,” and play the long game. The episode closes with Susan discussing faith, personal routines, her hiring philosophy, and the mentors who shaped her career. CHAPTERS (00:00) Meet Susan DiMickele & National Church Residences (03:02) What Makes Senior Affordable Housing Different? (04:02) Leaving Big Law for a Mission-Driven Career (05:43) From General Counsel to President & CEO (06:44) Combining Housing, Healthcare & Services (08:01) The Origins of National Church Residences (09:49) Living Longer vs. Living Better: Finding Your “Joy Span” (11:39) The Growing Housing Challenge Facing Older Adults (12:34) What Does a CEO Actually Do? (13:41) Transferable Skills & Developing a Growth Mindset (15:23) Susan’s Early Career, Family & Sense of Purpose (17:24) Why Affordable Housing Deals Are Getting Harder (18:42) Career Pivots: Take the Lateral Move and Play the Long Game (19:52) The Talent Needed to Serve 100,000 Older Adults (21:47) AI, Changing Roles & Hiring for Adaptability (23:29) The Hot Seat (25:13) Faith, Personal Rhythms & Staying Grounded (26:46) Susan’s Hiring Philosophy (29:37) Mentors Who Shaped Her Career (30:59) Closing Thoughts with Susan DiMickele YouTube: https://youtu.be/Cb3D6TjUPmU Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S3 · E34
September 14 · 47 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Pastor Martin Porter (Building on Faith)
What happens when a pastor approaches affordable housing with the discipline, financial fluency, and ambition of a seasoned real estate developer? In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Martin Porter, founder and CEO of Logos Development, for a candid conversation about faith-based affordable housing, church real estate development, personal transformation, and purpose-driven leadership. Martin explains how Logos Development partners with churches and religious organizations to transform underused land—including parking lots and surplus parcels—into much-needed housing. Rather than purchasing church property, Logos uses joint ventures and long-term ground leases that allow congregations to remain invested in the land and participate in the value created through development. The conversation goes far beyond real estate. Martin shares his unconventional journey from the restaurant and nightclub business to commercial brokerage, ministry, sobriety, and ultimately affordable housing development. He describes how recovery helped him rebuild his life, answer a spiritual calling, and pursue the seemingly unattainable goal of becoming a full-scale developer. Martin also discusses the importance of assembling teams with more experience than you, maintaining trust through difficult development decisions, and understanding that affordable housing is fundamentally a relationship-driven business. He reflects on second chances, resilience, self-discipline, family, gratitude, ethical leadership, and the daily choice to remain grounded while leading a rapidly growing company. The episode also explores what Martin looks for when hiring, why faith-based organizations must hold themselves to exceptionally high professional standards, how he creates boundaries around technology, and the mentors and books that continue to shape his approach to leadership and development. Building on Faith is a deeply personal conversation about affordable housing, church land, recovery, real estate entrepreneurship, and what becomes possible when professional ambition is anchored by a meaningful purpose. CHAPTERS (00:00) Martin Porter: Pastor, Developer and Mission-Driven Entrepreneur (01:52) The Meaning and Mission Behind Logos Development (04:00) Why Churches Are Turning Underused Land Into Housing (06:35) Joint Ventures, Ground Leases and Church Ownership (10:38) Understanding Church Partners and Returning to Their Mission (12:44) From Nightlife and Sales to Commercial Real Estate (14:58) Sobriety, Ministry and the Birth of Logos Development (17:17) Breaking Into Development Without a Traditional Roadmap (21:40) Resilience, Second Chances and Believing in Your Purpose (26:56) Ethics, Trust and Mission-Driven Affordable Housing (31:39) The Hot Seat: Books, Robert Moses and the Use of Power (36:28) Staying Grounded Through Gratitude, Family and Discipline (40:33) Hiring for Mindset, Excellence and Authentic Diversity (44:10) The Mentors Who Shaped Martin’s Leadership (45:29) Final Reflections and Closing YouTube: https://youtu.be/3LmdJfuOzQA Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S1 · E35
September 8 · 36 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Trevor Samios (Why Resident Services Matter)
Trevor Samios didn’t set out to build a career in affordable housing. He studied political science and philosophy, planned to attend law school, and eventually found himself teaching writing to young people in a Pittsburgh public housing community undergoing a major redevelopment. That experience opened the door to a career centered on the intersection of housing, operations, resident services, and social impact. In this episode, Trevor traces that unconventional path — from his first property management role in a HOPE VI redevelopment to traveling the country auditing and supporting affordable housing communities, and ultimately helping build resident-services and social-impact programs at scale. Trevor explains why resident services are more than an added amenity. From housing stability and eviction prevention to employment, savings, education, benefits access, and economic mobility, he discusses how supporting residents can also strengthen the long-term performance of affordable housing communities. He also breaks down the challenge of measuring that impact and the funding strategies that can make these programs sustainable. The conversation also explores Trevor’s evolution into organizational operations and strategy as WIN grew dramatically in size and geographic reach. He discusses the challenge of maintaining culture, consistency, systems, and performance as an organization scales — and the opportunities he sees in new technology and better-designed workflows. In the Hot Seat, Trevor shares what keeps him grounded, the quality he values most when hiring, what it takes to succeed in resident services, and the mentors who shaped how he thinks about work, people, and purpose. CHAPTERS (01:52) What Resident Services Actually Looks Like (02:58) Why Resident Services Matter (05:44) Measuring Human Impact (06:17) From Political Science and Philosophy to Housing (08:39) How Teaching Led Trevor to Affordable Housing (12:03) Learning Affordable Housing Across the Country (14:22) The Documentary That Changed His Career (17:27) Building Social Impact Programs at Scale (20:30) Funding and Sustaining Resident Services (22:25) Managing Growth, Operations and New Technology (25:39) The Hot Seat: Work, Books and Music (28:22) Staying Grounded While Leading (29:38) Why Trevor Hires for “Ownership” (31:21) How to Build a Career in Resident Services (34:00) The Mentors Who Shaped His Career
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August 31 · 30 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Dan Cooper (Credit where credit is due)
Dan Cooper, SVP and Head of Investor Relations at Enterprise Community Partners, joins Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker for a conversation about affordable housing, investor relations, and the complex world of low-income housing tax credits. Dan explains how his team connects investors with housing credit opportunities, why the market has become more precise and investor-driven, and why relationships, trust, and credibility remain essential in a highly technical business. He also looks back at the unexpected introduction that launched his career, what pushed him toward management and leadership, what he looks for when hiring, and the mentors who continue to influence how he approaches difficult decisions. It’s a conversation about capital and affordable housing—but just as importantly, about the people behind the work. Chapters (01:40) Inside Enterprise Community Partners (03:36) What Investor Relations Actually Does (05:16) How the LIHTC Market Has Changed (07:18) Why Investors Want More Control (08:43) Raising Capital & Knowing Your Audience (10:16) Career Paths in Affordable Housing (12:29) What Makes a Strong Investor Relations Professional (13:51) Dan’s Unexpected Path Into Tax Credits (17:52) Why Dan Pursued an MBA (18:50) An Industry in Calibration (21:44) The Hot Seat (24:02) Family & Staying Grounded (25:58) Dan’s Approach to Hiring (28:43) Mentorship, Leadership & Perspective Dan Cooper, Enterprise Community Partners, affordable housing, low income housing tax credit, LIHTC, investor relations, tax credit syndication, housing credit investments, affordable housing finance, raising capital, real estate careers, community development, affordable housing investing, housing finance agencies, tax exempt bonds, asset management, leadership, hiring, mentorship, investor relationships
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August 24 · 54 min
Beyond the Resume podcast Webinar Series: 21st Century Road to Housing Act
In this Beyond the Resume Webinar Series installment, hosts Chris Papa of Jackson Lucas and Kristen Niver of Robinson+Cole examine the 21st Century Road to Housing Act and what its sweeping policy changes could mean for the future of affordable housing. The discussion brings together three national housing policy leaders: Emily Cadik, CEO of the Affordable Housing Tax Credit Coalition; Mark Kudlowitz, Senior Policy Director at Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC); and Thom Amdur, Executive Vice President of Policy & Impact at Lincoln Avenue Communities. The panel breaks down the provisions they believe could have the greatest practical impact on affordable housing production and preservation. At the center of the conversation is the increase to the Public Welfare Investment cap, which could unlock additional bank investment just as the expanded Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC) creates demand for billions of dollars in new equity. The panel also examines changes affecting institutional investors and build-to-rent housing, increased FHA multifamily loan limits, and the potential for new capital strategies such as LIHTC transferability. But the legislation is only part of the story. The conversation turns to the proposed Community Reinvestment Act regulations, where changes to the investment test could reduce incentives for some regional and community banks to invest in affordable housing. The panel also explores BABA requirements, rural housing preservation, CDBG disaster recovery, HOME and CHDO reforms, RAD, manufactured housing, and the challenges facing HUD and USDA as agencies begin the implementation process. Throughout the webinar, one distinction remains critical: the Act creates and reforms programs, but many provisions do not provide new funding on their own. Their ultimate impact will depend on appropriations, regulatory implementation and sustained industry advocacy. Despite those uncertainties, the panel sees the Act's overwhelming bipartisan support as evidence that housing has become a national political priority—and potentially a foundation for another round of federal housing legislation. CHAPTERS (01:13) Introductions to the 21st Century Road to Housing Act (03:50) LIHTC Expansion & the Public Welfare Investment Cap (07:20) Institutional Investors, Build-to-Rent & Housing Supply (11:55) FHA Loan Limits & Affordable Housing Preservation (14:00) Build America, Buy America & HUD Reform (18:40) CRA Changes & the Future of LIHTC Investment (23:18) Rural Housing Preservation & CDBG Disaster Recovery (27:59) Equity Pricing, Investor Demand & LIHTC Transferability (34:52) CRA Impacts on Nonprofits & CDFI Lenders (39:12) HOME, CHDOs & Local Development Capacity (41:32) Bipartisan Momentum & What Comes Next (48:10) HUD Implementation, RAD & Regulatory Challenges (52:27) Manufactured Housing & Closing Takeaways LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/uS7yX0PCMi0 Spotify: https://lnkd.in/eyrNGt53 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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August 17 · 47 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Dara McQuillan (A Career You Couldn’t Plan)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Lisa Flicker sits down with Dara McQuillan to discuss an unconventional career shaped by storytelling, real estate marketing, placemaking, and the rebuilding of the World Trade Center. McQuillan traces his path from growing up in Ireland and Belgium to UCLA, an internship at Variety, work in film and public relations, and eventually a career in commercial real estate. McQuillan explains how his ability to tell stories led him to Larry Silverstein and Silverstein Properties, where he was tasked with helping communicate the vision for rebuilding the World Trade Center. He reflects on the challenge of marketing Lower Manhattan after September 11 and how architecture, art, public relations, events, and creative storytelling helped reshape perceptions of the neighborhood. The conversation also explores the increasingly strategic role of marketing in real estate. McQuillan describes how marketers often have to sell a vision before a building exists, using everything from renderings and film to art, events, digital media, and emerging AI tools. He also shares how unexpected ideas—including inviting artists into World Trade Center buildings during construction—became powerful tools for documenting and telling the story of the redevelopment. For students and young professionals, McQuillan emphasizes that there is no single path into commercial real estate. Careers can span marketing, technology, hospitality, architecture, finance, art, sustainability, and countless other disciplines. His advice: understand what you are good at, stay open to unexpected opportunities, learn from the people around you, and develop the ability to tell your own story. CHAPTERS (01:15) An unconventional path into storytelling and real estate (05:08) Larry Silverstein and rebuilding the World Trade Center (10:32) Reimagining Lower Manhattan after September 11 (17:17) Why marketing matters in real estate (22:10) Art, creativity, and unconventional storytelling (27:21) Career opportunities across commercial real estate (32:23) Technology, AI, and the evolution of communications (34:47) Career advice for young professionals (37:19) The Hot Seat: books, routines, and life outside work (44:14) Mentors, leadership, and learning from your team LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/_taQWccIBLU Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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August 10 · 28 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Dr. Reginald Parker aka Dr. Green Power (Underwriting the overlooked)
Dr. Reginald Parker aka “Dr. Green Power”joins Beyond the Resume for a conversation about clean energy, affordable housing, climate finance, leadership, and creating economic opportunity for communities too often overlooked. Parker explains how his work with Freedmen Green Bank and Trust approaches housing through total cost of ownership. For a home to be truly affordable, he argues, families must also be able to afford the energy required to live there. Investments in solar, storage, HVAC systems, energy efficiency, and resilient infrastructure can lower monthly expenses while potentially increasing long-term home value. That mission is captured in one of Parker’s defining phrases: helping the underserved and overlooked become underwritten. He discusses using both financing and technical assistance to support homeowners, contractors, nonprofits, and emerging developers who may not fit traditional lending models. Parker also shares the personal story behind his work. Growing up poor in Savannah, Georgia, he relied on free school lunches and remembers eating less at home so his mother would have enough food. His strengths in math and science eventually took him to MIT, where studying chemical engineering led him to question how he could use his skills to reduce pollution rather than contribute to it. That question launched a career spanning clean-energy technology, solar development, project development, and financing. Parker also challenges assumptions about who belongs in climate finance. Through a Climate Finance 101 course at Morehouse College, students from disciplines ranging from kinesiology to political science learned how to analyze real energy projects. His message: you do not need to be an engineer or finance major—you need curiosity and a willingness to learn. The conversation closes with Parker’s approach to leadership, mentorship, parenting, and hiring people who expand his abilities rather than simply mirror them. His philosophy: “H.I. over A.I.—Human intelligence over artificial intelligence.” CHAPTERS (00:00) Housing, Energy & Green Financing (06:53) Net-Zero Workforce Housing (08:50) Growing Up Poor to MIT (11:41) Engineering Meets Clean Energy (13:40) Breaking Into Climate Finance (17:34) The Future of Clean Energy (20:25) Underwriting the Overlooked (22:13) The Human Cost of Energy Burden (23:41) Leadership, Family & Mentorship LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/GVpWdUT7lY8 Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
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August 3 · 40 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Jeff Lawrence (Affordable Housing & Building Trust)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume Podcast, we speak with Jeff Lawrence, Managing Director of Affordable Housing at Berkadia, about affordable housing finance, commercial real estate, servant leadership, mentorship, and career growth. Jeff explains how he helps affordable housing developers and investors secure financing and why technical skills are essential for entering the industry. He also emphasizes that new professionals need time to learn the business before they can confidently advise clients and add meaningful value. The conversation also explores Jeff’s decision to focus on affordable housing, which allows him to “do well while doing good.” He discusses the importance of trust, honesty, and delivering on commitments in high-stakes real estate transactions. Jeff shares his philosophy of servant leadership and his commitment to helping more people of color enter commercial real estate. He also reflects on mentorship, professional relationships, humility, accountability, friendship, and the importance of giving yourself grace when mistakes happen. CHAPTERS (03:33) Skills for Commercial Real Estate Technical knowledge, Excel, financial modeling, and career development. (06:13) Why Affordable Housing Jeff discusses doing well while doing good. (07:40) Detroit and Morehouse College How Upward Bound, Morehouse, and mentorship shaped his path. (11:48) Servant Leadership and Representation Helping more people of color enter commercial real estate. (14:35) Banking and Business School Jeff’s early career and experience at Kellogg. (20:04) Becoming More Entrepreneurial His transition from traditional banking into mortgage banking. (23:05) Trust and High-Stakes Deals Solving complex financing problems and delivering for clients. (25:21) Building Professional Relationships Networking, referrals, and creating a trusted business ecosystem. (29:23) Books, Friendship, and Balance Jeff reflects on personal growth and adult relationships. (35:25) Hiring for Humility Why accountability and self-awareness matter. (37:53) Mentors Who Shaped His Career Jeff recognizes the people who influenced his professional and personal life. YouTube: https://youtu.be/_TX2UkCmcCU Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S1 · E30
July 26 · 37 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Russell Lang (Holy ground, affordable homes)
In this episode of Beyond the Resume, we sit down with Russell Lang, President and CEO of Catholic Homes New York, for a wide-ranging conversation about affordable housing development, nonprofit leadership, community impact, and building a meaningful career in real estate.Russell shares the history of Catholic Homes New York, from parish-led housing development in the 1970s to its current portfolio of approximately 3,000 affordable housing units. He discusses the organization’s work with seniors, families, and residents who need supportive services, as well as its connection to Catholic Charities and a broader network of mission-aligned social service providers.The conversation also explores Russell’s professional journey through public agencies, nonprofit organizations, affordable housing finance, construction, and real estate development. Russell also offers practical advice for students and professionals interested in affordable housing careers. He explains why financial literacy, legal fluency, intellectual curiosity, adaptability, and a genuine commitment to serving communities are essential for successful developers and nonprofit executives. He also discusses what he looks for when hiring, the importance of building a strong team, and the mentors who helped shape his career.Chapters(00:00) The History and Mission of Catholic Homes New YorkRussell explains how parish-owned land and community needs led to the creation of Catholic Homes and its growing affordable housing portfolio.(03:07) Expanding Grand Street and Serving New York CommunitiesA look at the Grand Street Guild campus, new family and senior housing, and the geographic footprint Catholic Homes serves.(05:02) Leading an Affordable Housing NonprofitRussell discusses improving organizational performance, strengthening the resident experience, and positioning Catholic Homes for continued growth.(07:08) Housing, Social Services, and Catholic CharitiesHow Catholic Homes works with affiliated agencies to connect residents with foster care, mental health, family, and supportive services.(10:08) Russell’s Path into Community DevelopmentRussell reflects on Amherst, working in Bill Clinton’s post-presidency office, studying urban planning at NYU Wagner, and discovering affordable housing.(15:22) Finance, Tax Credits, and Public-Private PartnershipsThe importance of understanding low-income housing tax credits, eligible basis, construction, government programs, and the financial structure of affordable housing.(19:10) New York Housing Policy and Nonprofit DevelopmentRussell discusses limited resources, rising development costs, government partnerships, nonprofit participation, and the long-term value of community-based institutions.(21:27) What Makes a Strong Developer and CEO?Why curiosity, continuous learning, mission alignment, team building, and the willingness to understand every part of a project matter.(26:03) Career Advice for Future Affordable Housing LeadersRussell shares the skills aspiring executives should develop, including finance, legal knowledge, transparency, and comfort working directly with communities.(30:10) Memorable Projects, Mixed-Use Development, and Community ImpactRussell revisits formative projects involving affordable housing, retail spaces, daycare providers, grocery stores, and institutional partners.(34:02) Hiring for Curiosity, Ambition, and Career StoryWhat Russell looks for on a résumé, how he evaluates candidates, and why a coherent professional journey can lead to a strong interview.(35:53) Mentors Who Shaped Russell’s CareerRussell recognizes the colleagues, developers, finance professionals, and construction leaders who gave him opportunities to learn and grow.LINKSYouTube: https://youtu.be/gK8p14c1oH4Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotifyApple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S3 · E30
July 19 · 44 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Ada Arevalo (Raise capital, lower barriers)
Ada Arevalo’s career demonstrates how the right opportunity, mentor or unexpected pivot can completely change a professional trajectory. In this episode of Beyond the Resume, Chris Papa and Lisa Flicker sit down with Ada, interim Chief Operations Officer of the Los Angeles County Affordable Housing Solutions Agency, or LACAHSA. Ada explains how the agency is creating a collaborative platform for jurisdictions across Los Angeles County to work together to address homelessness and the lack of affordable housing. She discusses her role in building the operational, technological and investment systems that allow LACAHSA to deploy capital and execute its mission. Ada also explains how sales tax funding, social bonds and future capital allocations can support the development and preservation of affordable housing throughout Los Angeles County. The conversation follows Ada’s journey from being born and raised in Mexico and immigrating to the United States at age 10 to studying finance, beginning her career in public accounting and joining a startup investment management firm. She shares how an unexpected choice between a CFO path and capital raising launched her into capital markets, investor relations and fund management. Ada breaks down what capital raising actually involves, describing it as a relationship-driven and educational role rather than simply a sales function. She explains why financial fluency builds investor trust and why professionals must learn how to communicate value, listen with curiosity and develop meaningful networks. The episode also explores mentorship, Latinx representation in commercial real estate and Ada’s work as the founding chair of the Real Estate Association of Latinx Professionals. She discusses the need to create clearer pathways into real estate investment roles, particularly for Latino and Latina professionals who remain underrepresented in the industry. Ada also shares her leadership philosophy, including setting high expectations, building accountability systems, creating psychological safety and asking her team for feedback. She explains why leaders must be willing to reassess their ideas, let go of the need to be right and focus on helping their teams succeed. This episode is a powerful conversation about affordable housing, impact investing, capital raising, professional networking, mentorship, representation and the people who change careers by recognizing potential and acting on it. CHAPTERS (00:00) Meet Ada Arevalo and LACAHSA (03:36) Building a Startup Government Agency (04:33) A Countywide Affordable Housing Strategy (08:22) From Mexico to Public Accounting (10:20) Choosing Capital Markets Over the CFO Track (18:53) What Capital Raising Actually Involves (23:48) Why Your Network Outlasts Your GPA (27:29) Representation, Leadership and Recognizing Potential LINKS YouTube: https://youtu.be/6euQ3uvki6I Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9 --- KEYWORDS Ada Arevalo, LACAHSA, affordable housing, Los Angeles County housing, capital raising, impact investing, Latinx professionals, commercial real estate, executive leadership, professional networking
S1 · E29
July 13 · 43 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Rodger Brown (Build what matters)
In this episode of we speak with Rodger Brown, Managing Director of Real Estate Development at Preservation of Affordable Housing, about his unconventional career path and decades of leadership in affordable housing and community development. Rodger explains how Preservation of Affordable Housing grew from approximately 800 units into a nonprofit with roughly 14,000 homes across 14 states and Washington, D.C. He discusses the organization’s origins in preserving Section 8 housing, its use of HUD financing tools, and its evolution from rehabilitation projects into comprehensive neighborhood transformation. The conversation centers on the organization’s work in Chicago’s Woodlawn community, where a distressed housing development became the foundation for new affordable homes, workforce training, a grocery store, youth programming, senior housing, local businesses, and transit-oriented development. Rodger also shares his journey from IBM to Boston City Hall, MIT, and nonprofit real estate development. His advice for aspiring developers emphasizes financial fluency, communication, relationship-building, collaboration, and learning by doing. He reflects on supporting developers of color, hiring mission-driven teammates, asking for help, learning from mentors, and pursuing work that leaves communities better than he found them. CHAPTERS (00:00) Rodger Brown and Preservation of Affordable Housing Rodger introduces the organization, its mission, and its origins. (02:25) Preserving Section 8 Housing How nonprofit ownership and HUD financing helped protect affordable homes. (05:00) Growing to 14,000 Homes The organization expands across 14 states and Washington, D.C. (07:17) Transforming Chicago’s Woodlawn Community A distressed property becomes the foundation for neighborhood revitalization. (12:05) Housing, Jobs, Education, and Opportunity Rodger discusses workforce training, youth programming, retail, and mixed-use development. (16:55) Leading Real Estate Development Rodger explains how he deploys resources, supports teams, and responds to changing policies. (19:18) From IBM to Affordable Housing His path through City Hall, MIT, and early nonprofit development work. (24:05) Skills Every Developer Needs Financial knowledge, communication, relationships, and learning by doing. (30:33) Purpose, Resilience, and Giving Back Rodger reflects on meaningful work, failure, and charitable cycling. (35:07) Collaboration, Hiring, and Mentorship Why mission alignment, humility, teamwork, and mentors matter. -- YouTube: https://youtu.be/rxvhyH4FLvw Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S1 · E26
July 6 · 40 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Allen Feliz (The human side of housing technology)
In this episode of *Beyond the Resume*, we sit down with Allen Feliz, Vice President of Affordable and Public Housing Solutions at MRI Software, for a conversation about affordable housing, public housing, real estate technology, leadership, and mission-driven career growth. Allen explains how MRI Software supports organizations that build, finance, manage, and operate housing communities. From property management and compliance tools to asset management software, data insights, and housing authority program administration, Allen describes the role technology can play in helping affordable housing professionals make better decisions and work more efficiently. The episode also traces Allen’s personal and professional journey: growing up in the South Bronx as the son of Dominican immigrant parents, earning a scholarship to boarding school, studying political science at Brown, beginning his career in affordable housing finance, helping grow TCAM, and eventually stepping into a leadership role at MRI Software after TCAM’s acquisition. Along the way, Allen reflects on AI, PropTech, change management, compliance, data reporting, mentorship, civic engagement, and what it takes to build a meaningful career in housing. He also shares practical advice for anyone looking to enter the field, including the value of Excel, comfort with numbers, strong communication skills, humility, and a genuine commitment to the mission. CHAPTERS (00:45) Meet Allen Feliz and MRI Software (03:48) Investment Central, TCAM, and Asset Management (05:15) Allen’s Bronx Origin Story (08:56) Starting Out in Affordable Housing Finance (10:27) AI, Innovation, and Real Estate Technology (11:46) Moving From Real Estate Into PropTech (15:51) Technology Adoption and Change Management (19:44) Compliance, Data, and Reporting Tools (22:00) Career Advice for Breaking Into Housing (24:54) Baseball, Family, and the Hot Seat (28:14) Book and Podcast Recommendations (34:23) How Personal History Shapes the Mission (36:27) Mentorship, Leadership, and Paying It Forward YouTube: https://youtu.be/MijmCzmhH8Q Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotify Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9
S3 · E27
June 29 · 29 min
Beyond the Resume podcast with Judy Herbstman (Trust is the foundation)
In this episode of *Beyond the Resume*, we sit down with Judy Herbstman, President of Settlement Housing Fund, for a conversation about affordable housing, mission-driven leadership, nonprofit development, and building a career rooted in public service.Judy shares how Settlement Housing Fund continues its work as a nonprofit affordable housing developer serving residents across the Bronx, Manhattan, and Brooklyn, while also expanding into supportive housing and resident services. She reflects on her path from mental health advocacy to housing, including formative experiences at HUD, graduate school at NYU, and early affordable housing development work in New York City.The conversation also explores Judy’s transition from running real estate development to leading an organization, the learning curve of executive leadership, the value of project management, and the importance of clear communication, collaboration, and mission alignment. Judy offers thoughtful advice for young professionals entering the affordable housing field, emphasizing respect for residents, understanding personal strengths, and developing the skills needed to contribute meaningfully.Chris and Judy also discuss hiring, mentorship, direct feedback, work-life balance, and the leaders who helped shape Judy’s approach to management and service.CHAPTERS(00:45) Meet Judy Herbstman and Settlement Housing Fund(02:55) Serving residents and expanding supportive housing(04:25) Moving from development leader to president(06:40) Learning executive leadership on the job(08:45) A mission-driven path shaped by service(10:55) From mental health advocacy to housing(12:50) HUD, NYU, and learning affordable housing development(15:35) Nonprofit vs. for-profit affordable housing work(17:35) Collaborative leadership and stakeholder trust(20:00) Growth, preservation, and the future of affordable housing(21:15) Advice for emerging affordable housing professionals(23:50) Books, routines, parenting, and staying grounded(26:15) Hiring for mission alignment and respect for residents(27:40) Mentorship, feedback, and leadership lessonsYouTube: https://youtu.be/hPTtcUz0rY4Spotify: https://bit.ly/beyondtheresume-spotifyApple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3I3nkG9

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