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Unrelating with Kel & Michelle

Kel & Michelle

Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out.

Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades. 
 
Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a Master’s in Clinical Psychology, with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy, from Pepperdine. 

Through her practice, she has seen patterns and themes that connect us as people. Her scientific background will help us learn about the brain mechanisms that influence our behavior.  And her psychology background will help us figure out if we should continue in the relationships we’re in!


Follow us on Instagram @unrelatingpocast and be sure to download us on Apple, iHeart, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts! 

And if you have a question, comment or would like to be a guest on the show, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com

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  • S1 · E57
    September 30 · 46 min

    Ask Us Anything

    Kel and Michelle answer your questions! First, we tackle how partners can stop keeping score with each other and avoid letting resentment build up. And we welcome back educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to answer a listener question, what to do if your child rejects going to college. Julia Evans is available @guidepathadvisors. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • September 19 · 3 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 56 Deep Dive: Growing From Our Accountability

    In this deep dive, Michelle returns to one of her favorite themes to talk about how to Mind the Gap, like Kirsten discussed on the show. Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in Burlington, Ontario and can be found at @kirsten.davidson or https://mindthegaps.co/therapy-services/ To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E56
    September 16 · 54 min

    Growing From Our Discomfort

    Kel and Michelle sit down with psychotherapist Kirsten Davidson to explore the reasons people may struggle connecting with others, what it means to do parts-work, ways to reframe the way we speak to ourselves, and why confronting your own discomfort and addressing your fears can be such a catalyst for personal growth. Kirsten Davidson is the owner of Mind The Gaps Psychotherapy in Burlington, Ontario and can be found at @kirsten.davidson or https://mindthegaps.co/therapy-services/ To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • September 4 · 4 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 55 Deep Dive: How To Practice Scaling

    In this deep dive after Gary Ras's show, Michelle focuses the spotlight on scaling, one of her favorite interventions for understanding and managing your feelings. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E55
    September 2 · 53 min

    How To Practice EFT Tapping

    Ever heard of tapping? Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation when Kel & Michelle sit down with Gary Ras, a healer specializing in energy healing techniques. Listen as Gary explains how Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) uses light tapping on your acupuncture points to settle the nervous system, process difficult emotions, and build new patterns of calm and resilience. Gary Ras can be found at tapwithGary.com. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • August 21 · 4 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 54 Deep Dive: Reclaiming Your Own Life

    Based on our show with Machan Taylor, Michelle talks more in depth about abusive relationships and what healthy and safe relationships look like. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E54
    August 19 · 1 hr 14 min

    How To Reclaim Your Own Voice

    Kel and Michelle sit down for an intimate and open conversation with Machan Taylor. Having performed with some of the biggest bands in the world, Machan is a singer, songwriter, educator, and author of the memoir "Naked Out Loud." We discuss tracing her path from postwar Japan to New Jersey, finding her voice on some of the world’s biggest stages, wrestling with her identity, her struggles with marriage abuse and trauma, and how she was able to find herself and learn to heal. Machan can be found at http://machantaylor.com/naked-out-loud @machantaylorofficial To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • August 7 · 5 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53 Deep Dive: Transformation After Getting Well

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 53, Michelle touches on how David was able to use skills after he healed that enhance his life, and what we can do to manage our feelings rather than internalize events. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E53
    August 5 · 1 hr 6 min

    Transformation After Trauma

    Kel and Michelle sit down with David Deane Haskell, author of the memoir "Wounded Angels", for a powerful conversation about losing his mother at a young age and the grief, sadness, and self-destructive behavior that followed. David also talks about what led him to start healing, the process of healing, and what skills he uses now to enjoy his life and relationships. "Wounded Angels" can be found at Daviddeanehaskell.com. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • July 24 · 2 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52 Deep Dive: Finding Your Communication Confidence

    On this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 52, Michelle expands on a theme from Julia's show about increasing confidence, focusing here on building skills to communicate hard conversations with loved ones. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E52
    July 22 · 1 hr 8 min

    Finding Your Career Confidence

    It might be summer, but school's in session! Kel and Michelle sit down with educational consultant and life coach Julia Evans to break down how professionals and students can overcome self-doubt, improve their communication skills, and develop confidence. With A.I. beginning to affect our lives and careers, how can we build resilience and stay strong during these challenging times. And what can you do if you're feeling stuck in your personal life or career path. Julia Evans is available @guidepathadvisors To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • July 10 · 3 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 51: Toxic Paralysis-How We Make Sense Of Our Hardships

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 51, Michelle discusses a phrase from Stephen's show on how to conceptualize what happens to us. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E51
    July 8 · 57 min

    Toxic Relationships And Self-Sabotage: Why We Repeat Cycles

    Kel & Michelle sit down with Dr. Stephen Paul Edwards, author of the book "The Venus Fly Trap: Sex, Lies and Repercussions." Based on his personal journey and life lessons, they discuss how chaos can be a catalyst for transformation and why we repeat cycles like toxic relationships and self-sabotage. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • June 26 · 4 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 Deep Dive: Breaking Free from Mad, Sad, Happy

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 50 with author Alicia Barr, Michelle busts out the feelings wheel to help you get to the heart of your true emotions. Find a feelings wheel at https://feelingswheel.com/ Find Alicia Barr at aliciabarr.com and @aliciabarrauthor. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E50
    June 24 · 1 hr

    Breaking Free From Your Secrets

    We all have secrets. But when is it finally time to tell yours? Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful provoking conversation with Alicia Barr, author of “More Than A Secret” How A Mistress Broke Free From Her Affair". Alicia talks about her affair and the impact it had on her marriage and life, the psychological and physical impact of living in silence, and how to break free and heal from the guilt and shame of our secrets. Find Alicia Barr at aliciabarr.com and @aliciabarrauthor. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • June 12 · 5 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Deep Dive Episode 49: Running Towards The Finish Line

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 49 with Matt Fuchs, we are re-airing our deep dive with therapist Dan Duane. In it, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death. To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E49
    June 10 · 1 hr 1 min

    The Midlife Climax

    Are you dreading middle age and getting older? Dread not! Kel and Michelle sit down with author and researcher Matt Fuchs for an insightful conversation about the classic stereotypes and definitions of midlife crisis, what can cause midlife stressors and ways to manage them, how people's identities may change throughout life, and why the midlife crisis has now become a midlife "climax" and a period of happiness and personal growth. Find Matt Fuchs at Prime Factors https://fuchsm.substack.com/ To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • May 29 · 3 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 Deep Dive: Partners in Clarity - How to Balance True Expectations

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 featuring Maddison Violet, Michelle talks about how helpful it is to be accurate when voicing your expectations. Find Maddison Violet and Ve Oh Lay Winery @veohlayacres And to ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • S1 · E48
    May 27 · 58 min

    Partners In Wine: How To Balance Marriage And A Winery

    Have you ever dreamed of calling all the shots? Kel and Michelle sit down with Maddison Violet, owner of Ve Oh Lay Winery and Farm in Summerland, Canada, to discuss how she and her husband followed their dream and started a winery, the secret to staying connected and supporting each other, navigating difficult conversations as co-owners, and advice for couples who work together or are considering starting a business of their own. Find Maddison Violet and Ve Oh Lay Winery @veohlayacres To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

  • May 15 · 4 min

    Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 47 Deep Dive: Reimagining The Root Cause

    In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle featuring Mark Michaels, Michelle discusses how early relationships impact our attachment to others. In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com, Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, expertise, and healing are currently defined. https://markamichaels.com/ To ask us a question, suggest a topic or be our next on-air guest, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com. Follow us on Instagram; https://www.instagram.com/unrelatingpodcast/ And download and listen to Unrelating on Apple, Spotify, iHeart, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts! https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/ Support the show Visit us at https://www.unrelatingwithkelandmichelle.com/

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