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The Space Between Two Lines

Alex Saunders

Welcome to The Space Between Two Lines, hosted by Alex Saunders. This is a podcast dedicated to honest conversations about the realities of fertility loss and the journey to parenthood. This is a space for real and raw discussions with everyday people, sharing stories that often go unheard, providing connection, community, and validation.

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#36
September 17 · 34 min
Diagnosed with Premature Ovarian Insufficiency at 21: Brittney’s Egg Donor IVF Journey 🤍
In this incredibly raw, moving, and educational episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Brittany, a 33-year-old Melbourne resident who shares her remarkable 15-year journey from a shocking premature menopause diagnosis to a successful pregnancy using an altruistic egg donor. At just 18 years old, after a series of regular cycles stopped and were initially masked by the contraceptive pill, Brittany was told she was in menopause. Facing years of medical dismissal, severe symptoms, and complex health decisions, she and her partner eventually set out to build their family. Their path would lead them through the highly regulated world of Victorian egg donation, a deeply emotional connection with an interstate known donor, and the scientific triumphs of IVF and genetic testing. Whether you are navigating unexplained fertility struggles, exploring donor options, or looking for the courage to advocate for your own health, Brittany’s story is a beautiful testament to resilience, hope, and the light at the end of the tunnel. Tune in to this powerful episode to hear Brittany’s full story of hope, science, and self-advocacy. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and follow The Space Between Two Lines on Spotify to ensure you never miss these vital conversations. Share Your Story: If you would like to register to share your own fertility, pregnancy, or donor journey on the podcast, please visit our website: https://www.twolines.space/register
#35
September 10 · 48 min
Silent Endometriosis & Infertility: Bec’s Journey Through IUI and IVF
In this deeply moving and educational episode, Alex sits down with Bec, a Sydney-based tech professional, to uncover the reality of navigating "unexplained" infertility, failed clinical treatments, and the life-changing power of patient self-advocacy. After stopping the pill in 2023 with regular, textbook cycles, Bec naively believed pregnancy would happen quickly. Instead, she and her partner faced consecutive heartbreaks: two unsuccessful intrauterine insemination (IUI) cycles and two devastating back-to-back IVF rounds that yielded only one egg each and zero fertilization. Confronted by one of Sydney's top clinics with a suggested shift to donor eggs and the message that they had no more options, Bec listened to her gut and sought a second opinion. This pivotal second opinion led to an extraordinary transition from a rigid "black-and-white" clinical model to a holistic, highly individualized 18-month care framework. Through laparoscopic surgery and advanced testing, Bec finally received the validation and answers she was looking for. Whether you are currently in the thick of the "space between two lines," weighing a second opinion, or searching for answers of your own, Bec's story is an empowering reminder that there is hope when you take control of your healthcare. Please take a moment to subscribe, rate, and follow The Space Between Two Lines on Spotify or your favorite podcast app. Your support helps make sure no one has to walk this path alone. Share Your Story: If you would like to register to share your own fertility or pregnancy journey on the podcast, please visit our website: https://www.twolines.space/register
#34
September 3 · 48 min
12 Years of Infertility, Stage 4 Endometriosis & 7 IVF Egg Collections: Jess’s Story
In this incredibly raw and empowering episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Jess Goode, a 35-year-old who has spent a staggering 12 years navigating the emotional and physical trenches of unexplained infertility. From being dismissed by doctors as a teenager to facing severe medical weight bias, Jess’s journey is a profound testament to the power of a patient’s intuition. After undergoing four endometriosis surgeries, surviving a life-threatening bout of Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), and navigating the heartbreak of a chemical pregnancy, Jess shares how she refused to accept defeat—even when clinics told her to give up and look for an egg donor. Now in the middle of a natural frozen embryo transfer cycle, Jess provides an invaluable roadmap for anyone learning to find their voice, question their specialists, and advocate for their own body. We invite you to listen to this incredibly moving and educational conversation about what it means to hold onto hope when the odds are stacked against you. Jess’s fierce determination to never quit is an essential listen for anyone currently navigating the trials of assisted reproduction. 🎧 Listen to the full episode now and make sure to follow The Space Between Two Lines so you never miss these vital stories of resilience, loss, and survival. Share Your Story: If you would like to register to share your own fertility or pregnancy journey on the podcast, please visit our website: https://www.twolines.space/register
#33
August 27 · 1 hr 1 min
Abbey on Recurrent Pregnancy Loss, Two Failed IVF Cycles and Holding Onto Hope 🤍
In this deeply moving and educational episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Abbey, a 36-year-old married mother of two who has spent the last four years navigating the complex and often isolating path of secondary infertility. After easily conceiving her first two daughters just a year apart, Abby was blindsided by the trauma of three consecutive late missed miscarriages, a chemical pregnancy, and the emotional attrition of IVF. Now an active fertility and grief coach, Abby shares a rare look into her current pregnancy: an unexpected natural conception of fraternal twins that tragically resulted in vanishing twin syndrome at 11 weeks. Abby offers a masterclass on the power of medical self-advocacy, the emerging field of reproductive immunology, and what it truly means to hold profound grief in one hand and fierce hope in the other We invite you to listen to Abbey's incredibly brave and vital story of resilience, survival, and the unconditional love of a mother. Her raw honesty is a guiding light for anyone navigating the painful spaces of family building. If Abbey's story touches your heart, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our supportive community. Share Your Story: If you would like to register to share your own journey on the podcast, please visit our website: https://www.twolines.space/register
#32
August 20 · 44 min
Sarah’s Story: Navigating PCOS, Male Factor Infertility and IVF
In this deeply personal and resilient episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex welcomes Sarah Anderson, a woman whose path to motherhood has spanned nearly two decades of clinical hurdles and life-altering discoveries. Sarah shares her journey from a devastating PCOS diagnosis at age 17 to navigating eight different fertility clinics where she was blamed for infertility, only to uncover a decade-long secret regarding her ex-husband’s reproductive health. Now in a supportive new relationship, Sarah discusses the complexities of male factor infertility, the shock of IVF attrition (going from 37 eggs to just one embryo), and her courageous next steps using a known donor while planning her upcoming wedding. We invite you to listen to Sarah’s incredibly honest account of finding strength after being "hit with the stick" of infertility multiple times. Her story is a testament to the fact that while the "F" in IVF stands for fertilization, it often takes a lot of "grit" to keep moving forward. If you find Sarah’s resilience inspiring, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our growing community of voices. Connect with the Community: If you would like to share your own story on the podcast, please register at our website: https://www.twolines.space/register
#31
August 13 · 59 min
Birth Trauma, Postpartum Anxiety and IVF: Claire’s Powerful Journey to a Healing VBAC
In this deeply moving and educational episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Claire, a 36-year-old hairdresser from Gippsland, Victoria. Claire’s journey began with a medical mystery—having never experienced a natural period despite being on the pill for 15 years. Her path to parenthood involved navigating a rare pituitary gland issue, the stress of ovulation induction, and the heartbreak of three consecutive miscarriages before discovering a genetic link. Claire offers a raw and vulnerable look at her two distinct experiences with IVF, the trauma of a high-risk pregnancy involving placenta previa, and her courageous decision to seek help for postnatal anxiety. We invite you to listen to Claire’s incredible story of resilience and her transition from the "trenches" of infertility to an empowered motherhood. If you find comfort or insight in this conversation, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By following, you help us bring these vital stories of hope and healing to the community members who need them most. Connect with the Community: If you would like to share your own story on the podcast, please register at our website: https://www.twolines.space/register If you need postnatal support: PANDA https://www.panda.org.au
#30
August 6 · 1 hr 5 min
Emergency Surgery After Egg Collection, Low AMH & IVF for Cystic Fibrosis | Imogen’s Story
In this incredibly raw and vital episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Imogen, a 28-year-old from Western Australia, who shares her intense and rare journey through the world of assisted reproduction. After discovering she and her husband are both carriers for cystic fibrosis (CF), Imogen’s path shifted from natural conception to the high-stakes world of IVF with PGT-M (Preimplantation Genetic Testing for Monogenic Disorders). From navigating a low ovarian reserve at just 24 years old to surviving life-threatening internal bleeding after egg collection, Imogen’s story is a masterclass in resilience and the profound sacrifices women make to protect the health of their future children. Connect with Imogen: Imogen has been documenting her journey through the "trenches" of IVF and PGT-M to help others feel less isolated. You can follow her updates and find community support on her TikTok: @immypaps We invite you to listen to this incredibly brave and educational account of persistence. If Imogen’s story of advocacy and resilience resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us share these vital, vulnerable stories that ensure no parent walks the path of infertility alone. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#29
July 30 · 53 min
Katelyn’s Story: Seven Years of Infertility, IVF and Stillbirth
In this incredibly powerful episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Katelyn, a women's family violence refuge worker from Geelong, Victoria, to document her relentless seven-year journey to motherhood. What began as a hopeful plan to announce a pregnancy at her wedding in 2019 transformed into a marathon of unexplained infertility, five intensive egg collections, and a devastating medical saga. Katelyn shares the trauma of having her concerns dismissed due to her age, the shock of a Stage 4 endometriosis diagnosis after years of "unexplained" labels, and the heartbreaking loss of her son, Fletcher, at 26 weeks. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy and finding the resilience to honor a child's legacy while still navigating the complexities of fertility treatment. Honoring a Legacy: Bears of Hope & Cuddle Cots In honor of her son, Katelyn launched a major fundraiser for Bears of Hope, a vital Australian charity providing support for miscarriage and stillbirth. Her efforts raised over $12,000, enough to provide multiple cuddle cots to hospitals, ensuring other grieving parents have the precious gift of time with their babies Support Bears of Hope: https://www.bearsofhope.org.au We invite you to listen to Katelyn’s incredibly brave and vulnerable account of persistence. If her story of "choiceless strength" resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By following, you help us bring these essential stories of loss, love, and resilience to the parents and families who need them most. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#28
July 23 · 56 min
Carolina’s Journey: Secondary Infertility, Recurrent Loss & Pregnancy After IVF
In this deeply informative and resilient episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Carolina, who shares her intense multi-year journey through secondary infertility. After a "streamlined" first pregnancy during the 2020 lockdown, Carolina was blindsided by the complexities of conceiving her second child. Her story traverses the "revolving door" of emergency departments, the emotional weight of three consecutive miscarriages—including a twin pregnancy—and the eventual discovery of a rare genetic factor. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Carolina transitioned from the public health system to advanced IVF protocols to finally find the answers she needed. We invite you to listen to this incredibly brave account of persistence and medical discovery. If Carolina’s journey through the "trenches" of recurrent loss resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us continue to share these vital stories, ensuring no one has to navigate the space between those two lines alone. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
July 22 · 16 min
Bonus Episode: Running For Awareness
In this inspiring bonus episode of The Space Between Two Lines, host Alex Saunders sits down with Josh, a builder from Brisbane (originally from Canberra), who recently completed a grueling 53km ultramarathon to raise awareness for low-cost IVF treatment. Josh shares a rare and vital male perspective on the emotional toll of being the "passenger" during IVF, the physical "brunt work" carried by his wife, Alice, and how he turned his experience into a powerful campaign for change. Support the Cause: Donations to Josh’s campaign for Adora Fertility patients remain open until World IVF Day on July 25th with the link: ⁠https://runningforawareness.squarespace.com⁠ We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest conversation about the grit and grace it takes to build a family. If Josh’s story of advocacy and resilience resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every perspective of the fertility journey—including the vital voices of fathers—is heard and honored.
#27
July 16 · 35 min
Single Mum By Choice: 6 IUIs, IVF & The Embryo That Became Her Daughter
In this empowering and deeply resonant episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex welcomes Reema Kiran, a Single Mom by Choice (SMC), fertility coach, and author, to share her remarkable path to parenthood. After a long-term relationship ended in her late 20s, Reema faced the reality of her biological clock at age 35 and made the courageous decision to prioritize motherhood over waiting for the "perfect" partner. Her journey through the fertility "trenches" was marked by the disappointment of low-yield egg freezing, six unsuccessful IUIs, and a devastating IVF cycle with no viable embryos. Now a mother to a thriving daughter, Reema discusses the mental resilience required to pursue this path alone, navigating cultural expectations as an Indian-Canadian woman, and how she now empowers other career women to stop compromising on their motherhood dreams. About Our Guest: Reema Kiran is a Professional Certified Coach and the author of Choice Mom: An Empowering Guide to Becoming a Single Mother by Choice. As an Indian-Canadian woman, she brings deep empathy and familiarity with diverse cultural sensitivities to her work, ensuring no woman has to navigate the path to solo motherhood alone. Connect with Reema: Website: www.choicemomcoach.com Instagram: @choicemomcoach Purchase the Book: Choice Mom on Amazon Work with Reema: Book a Free 30min Call Join us for this moving account of resilience and self-reliance. If Reema’s story of creating a family in her own way resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every story—from every perspective—is seen and honored. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#26
July 9 · 36 min
What It Means to Keep Going: Jade’s Journey Through IVF, Loss & Hope
In this deeply moving episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex speaks with Jade, a 35-year-old from Sydney, who shares her raw and resilient 3.5-year path to motherhood. Jade’s journey highlights the complexities of navigating male factor infertility following a ten-year vasectomy, the physical toll of high-dose IVF protocols, and the heartbreaking reality of a late-term medical diagnosis. After a 30-week pregnancy ended in the stillbirth of her son, Hugo, Jade discusses the "thick fog" of grief and the profound healing she found through donating her breast milk in his honor. This conversation is a testament to the strength required to survive the "trenches" of fertility and the courage to keep moving toward the hope of a future family. Connect with Support Resources: Bears of Hope: Pregnancy & Infant Loss Support Red Nose Australia: Grief and Loss Support We invite you to listen to Jade’s incredibly brave and vital account of persistence. If this conversation resonates with you or could offer comfort to a loved one, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. By joining our community, you help ensure that these essential stories of loss, love, and "grit" reach those who need them most. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#25
July 2 · 36 min
Secondary Infertility & IVF: Tamara’s Journey Through Fibroids, Surgery & Hope
In this deeply relatable episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Tamara, a 39-year-old hairdresser from Brisbane, Queensland, who shares the stark contrast between her first pregnancy and her current 2.5-year battle with secondary infertility. Tamara offers a raw look at being blindsided by a large uterine fibroid, navigating the "numbing" reality of low ovarian reserve, and the resilience required to face multiple cancelled IVF cycles. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Tamara utilized both public and private systems in Brisbane and used platforms like TikTok to find the information her specialists initially overlooked. We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of persistence and the beauty of a family still in the making. If Tamara’s story of "only needing one" resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us ensure that every journey—no matter how many hurdles it takes—is seen, understood, and honored. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#24
June 25 · 52 min
Trying to Conceive for 6 Years: IVF, Pregnancy Loss, Silent Endometriosis & Spiritual Healing | Jess’ Story
In this incredibly powerful and wide-ranging episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Jess Jones (known online as Jessica Lucie), a psychic medium and HR professional from Perth, Western Australia. Jess shares her complex six-year fertility journey, which includes three rounds of IVF, six transfers, and the devastating discovery of Stage 4 silent endometriosis. From navigating the trauma of an ectopic pregnancy to advocating for herself against medical malpractice, Jess’s story is a masterclass in resilience. She discusses how she shifted from a "resentful mindset" to finding healing through spirituality and energy work, ultimately supporting other women in finding "the magic" even amidst the heartache of infertility. We invite you to listen to this deeply moving account of finding light in the darkest chapters of infertility. If Jess’s journey of transformation resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community of shared stories and support. Every story matters, and by following, you help ensure these vital conversations reach the women who need them most. Use code TSBTL20 for 20% off anything over $20 Connect with Jess Jones (Jessica Lucie): ◦Website: www.jessicaalucie.com.au ◦TikTok: @jessicaalucie ◦Instagram: @jessicaa.lucie If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#23
June 18 · 46 min
5 Years of Infertility, IVF & Hope for Another Miracle Baby | Alex’s Story
In this heart-opening episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex welcomes Alex Brown, a 33-year-old business owner from Wollongong, New South Wales, to share her decade-long journey to motherhood. From navigating a PCOS diagnosis at just 17 to enduring five years of "unexplained" waiting after a heartbreaking early miscarriage, Alex’s story is a powerful testament to the "one day at a time" mindset. Now navigating the complexities of secondary infertility and the physical toll of OHSS (Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome) during her second IVF round, Alex offers a raw look at medical self-advocacy, the "science-y" reality of bulk-billed clinics, and finding resilience in the space between transfers We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of persistence and hope. If Alex’s journey through the "trenches" of fertility resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community. Your support helps us ensure that every story of resilience is heard and honored. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#22
June 11 · 51 min
17 IVF Transfers, 4 Babies & A Surprise Pregnancy at 40 | Sarah’s Story
In this remarkable episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Sarah, a mother of five from Geelong, Victoria, whose journey to parenthood spans over a decade of scientific intervention and one life-changing surprise. Sarah opens up about starting her fertility journey at just 26 years old, facing the dual challenges of PCOS and male factor infertility, and enduring 10 embryo transfers before welcoming her first child. This conversation is a deep dive into the "science experiment" of IVF, the physical toll of high egg yields, and the incredible reality of conceiving naturally at age 40 after 17 total IVF transfers. Whether you are in the "trenches" of your first cycle or navigating the complexities of a large family, Sarah’s story offers a masterclass in resilience, advocacy, and finding hope in the unexpected. We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of one woman’s path to a family of seven. If Sarah’s story of resilience resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to join our community. Your support helps us continue to share these vital stories, ensuring that no one has to navigate the space between those two lines alone. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#21
June 4 · 1 hr 17 min
Losing Three Babies to Cervical Insufficiency (IC): Alyce’s Secondary Infertility and Loss Journey
Trigger Warning: This episode contains detailed discussions of second trimester pregnancy loss and medical trauma which may be distressing for some listeners. In this profoundly moving episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Alyce, a teacher and mother from the Gold Coast, Queensland, who shares her extraordinary journey through the highs and lows of building a family. From a surprise first pregnancy that ended in a traumatic 33-week emergency delivery to navigating the complex "trenches" of recurrent pregnancy loss, incompetent cervix, and rare medical diagnoses, Alyce’s story is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy. This conversation explores the invisible weight of grief, the resilience required to keep moving forward, and the importance of finding a medical team that truly listens. Join us for this essential conversation on resilience and the strength of the human spirit. If Alyce’s story resonates with you, we invite you to listen to the full episode and follow the podcast to stay connected with our community of shared stories and support. Every journey matter, and by following, you help ensure these vital conversations reach those who need them most. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#20
May 28 · 37 min
A Catch Up With Alex: Pregnancy After IVF, Anxiety & My Son’s Birth Story
In this intimate and deeply reflective episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Rosie to explore the emotional and physical complexities of navigating pregnancy after infertility. Following a journey marked by significant challenges, Alex provides a heartfelt update on how her current pregnancy has progressed and shares her thoughts on her upcoming birth. She also takes a poignant look back at Ollie’s birth, offering a raw perspective on how past experiences shape the way we approach new life. This conversation is a vital resource for anyone seeking to understand the intersection of grief and hope as they move through the "trenches" of a subsequent pregnancy. We invite you to listen to this incredibly honest account of hope, resilience, and the beauty of a new beginning. If Rosie’s story resonates with you or could offer comfort to someone you know, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines. Your support helps us continue to create a space where every story is seen, understood, and honored. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#19
May 21 · 40 min
PCOS, Silent Endometriosis & 3 Pregnancy Losses | Esther’s Fertility Journey
In this compelling episode of The Space Between Two Lines, host Alex Saunders sits down with Esther, a 37-year-old from Victoria, Australia, who shares her intense two-year journey through the "trenches" of infertility. Despite a healthy lifestyle, Esther was blindsided by a PCOS diagnosis at age 36, followed by the discovery of Stage 3 silent endometriosis and a frightening brush with pre-cancerous endometrial cells. This conversation is a masterclass in medical self-advocacy, exploring how Esther navigated both the public and private fertility systems in Melbourne to uncover the hidden medical hurdles standing between her and motherhood. We invite you to listen to this incredibly raw and informative account of persistence. If Esther’s story resonates with you, please subscribe and follow The Space Between Two Lines to ensure you never miss these vital conversations. Your support helps us share stories that empower and connect the fertility community. Follow Esther’s ongoing journey and find community support on her TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@starrie_lu?_r=1&_t=ZS-96KxcV1mDPZ If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.
#18
May 14 · 59 min
Navigating TFMR: One Mother’s Story (With Vivien)
In this deeply moving and courageous episode of The Space Between Two Lines, Alex sits down with Vivien, an Irish expat living in Sydney, Australia, to discuss her heart-wrenching journey through Termination for Medical Reasons (TFMR). After a "storybook" first cycle conception, Vivien’s pregnancy took a devastating turn following a routine 14-week scan that revealed ventriculomegaly (dilated ventricles in the brain). Vivien shares the raw reality of navigating the Maternal Fetal Medicine (MFM) system at the Royal Hospital for Women, the trauma of a 21-week induction, and the complex path of postpartum grief. This conversation is a vital resource for anyone facing the "trenches" of a medical diagnosis during pregnancy and highlights the profound strength found in choosing a child's quality of life over one's own desires. Connect with Vivien: Instagram: @mrs_vivien_t_farrell We invite you to listen to this incredibly brave account of motherhood and resilience. If Vivien’s story resonates with you or could offer comfort to a loved one, please subscribe to the podcast and follow The Space Between Two Lines for more honest conversations that ensure no parent walks this path alone. If you want to share your story with us in this podcast, visit our website to register: https://www.twolines.space/register.

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