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The RunOut Podcast

Andrew Bisharat & Chris Kalous

Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.

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October 23 · 1 hr 15 min
The RunOut #175: The new classic climbs, according to Steph Abegg
Steph Abegg is a climber, mathematician, and now full-time van-lifer who has been meticulously recording trip reports for the past 20 years. She’s working on a new book called Seventy Select, featuring seventy of her favorite multipitch rock climbs from across western North America. But first, your hosts meet up to debrief about climbing hell. And our final bit delivers the poetry of Victor McConnell. Show Notes Follow Steph Abegg: https://www.instagram.com/stephabegg_com/ Steph Abegg’s website: www.StephAbegg.com The full horseshoe theory: https://www.thestruggleclimbingshow.com/to-hell-and-back-how-i-survived-24-hours-of-climbing-ft-chris-kalous-and-annette-guo/ Victor McConnell site: https://www.victormcconnellauthor.com Victor McConnell IG: https://www.instagram.com/victormcconnell If You Can Hear This, by Victor McConnell https://bottlecap.press/products/ifyovm Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
October 13 · 52 min
The RunOut BONUS: Slovak Direct with Will Hodgson and Vincent Landry
Earlier this year, Will Hodgson and Vincent Landry repeated the Slovak Direct (AI6 M8, 2,700m) on Denali — 38 hours on route, every pitch freed on what Vincent calls some of the best granite he’s ever touched. We talk about the climb itself, and about Balin Miller, the last person to climb the route before them, whose memory shadowed every pitch of their ascent. We also get into what draws them to alpine climbing in the first place: the belief that above everything else, it should be fun. This special bonus episode first appeared on our Patreon feed. We’re releasing it to share this important conversation with our wider audience. If you enjoy this episode, please consider supporting our show by joining us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/runoutpodcast Show Notes Follow Will: https://www.instagram.com/willhodgson11/ Follow Vincent: https://www.instagram.com/landryvincent/
September 28 · 1 hr 11 min
The RunOut #174: In the writer’s room with Astra Lincoln
Astra Lincoln is a writer, creative researcher, and self-described futurist working at the intersection of people, power, and place. She’s won Banff’s best article award twice and been a finalist for the Yale Nonfiction Book Prize, and before all that she worked as a pastry chef, a wilderness trail mason, and a glacial ecologist. Her first novel is on the way. And her latest article is a profile of the legendary Michael Kennedy, which is printed in the latest issue of Summit Journal, #325. But first, the show hosts catch up on some 20 year old beef that no one can remember, and then dive into the latest autobelay horror story. Our final bit comes from the incredibly talented Craig Muderlak — an illustrator, painter, musician and award-winning filmmaker, whose work is inspired by a desire to explore a connection to expansive landscapes. Check out the show notes for a link to Craig’s work and pick up one of his prints. Show Notes Astra Lincoln: https://www.astralincoln.com Astra on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/astralincoln/ Summit Journal: https://www.summitjournal.com/products/summit-journal-subscription Summit Journal Insta: https://www.instagram.com/summit.journal/ Craig Muderlak: https://www.muderlakart.com/ Craig Muderlak on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/muderlakart/ Colorado Gym Sees Two Unroped Falls in One Day: https://www.climbing.com/news/two-accidents-in-one-day-colorado-climbing-gym/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
August 14 · 1 hr 21 min
The RunOut #173: The catastrophe episode, with Andres Marin
Andres Marin is a mountain guide, alpinist, and competitive ice climber who’s originally from Columbia, but is a longtime resident of Ouray, Colorado. His passion is expedition climbing, and he’s completed notable first ascents around the world including in Kyrgzstan and Peru. We talk about a wildfire that nearly destroyed his town, affecting the climbing and local communities alike, as well as other catastrophes and disasters around the world. Despite being such a depressing conversation, Andres, with his usual humor and positive disposition, brings hope and light to the frontlines of these issues. But first, your hosts convene on relationships in life and climbing. The final bit is a little ditty from Sweet Jessup and the Dirty Buckets. Show Notes Andres Marin: https://www.instagram.com/andresmarin22/ Golgotha: https://alpinist.com/newswire/clint-helander-andres-marin-complete-their-dream-route-on-golgotha-in-alaskas-revelation-range/ Sweet Jessup: https://www.sweetjessup.com Sweet Jessup’s Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6DpZa8AFybAzVP8WvdtGLb Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
July 31 · 1 hr 11 min
The RunOut #172: Liv Ogier and the joy of suffering for sport climbing
Liv Ogier recently completed the first ascent of Yellow Sun (5.14d), an extension to Tommy Caldwell’s Kryptonite at the Fortress of Solitude. As a former comp climber, her choice to project at one of Colorado’s most remote and challenging sport crags resulted in numerous days and nights of challenging conditions that are more often associated with alpinism than sport climbing. But the result of her efforts landed her among a very small and select group of women who have established first ascents of routes rated 5.14d. But first, your grumpy hosts grump about climbing. Our final bit is from Victor McConnell. Show Notes Follow Liv Ogier: https://www.instagram.com/oogier/ Read about her ascent: https://tensionclimbing.com/blogs/blog/the-evolution-of-kryptonite-the-process-behind-yellow-sun-colorado-s-newest-5-14d Tension Climbing: https://tensionclimbing.com Victor McConnell‘s work and news. https://www.victormcconnellauthor.com/ Victor on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/victormcconnell/ Order Victor’s book If You Can Hear This here: Bottlecap Press: https://bottlecap.press/products/ifyovm World Climbing Assembly Cancels Vote on Banning Israel, Russia, and Belarus: https://www.climbing.com/news/world-climbing-assembly-cancels-vote-on-banning-israel-russia-and-belarus/ Chicago Climbing Gym Ordered to Pay $50 Million for Negligence in Child Sexual Abuse Case: https://www.climbing.com/news/first-ascent-climbing-gym-chicago-negligence-50-million-child-sexual-abuse-case/ No Return: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/07/06/did-a-climber-leave-his-girlfriend-to-die-at-the-top-of-a-mountain Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
July 7 · 1 hr 13 min
The RunOut #171: How to Spout Off To Your Federal Land Managers
Erik Murdock is the deputy director at the Access Fund, climbing’s national advocacy organization. Today we’re encouraging climbers to submit their comments on the climbing management proposals for federal lands. Check out the show notes for all the links. But first, the show’s ailing hosts navigate a new world order of safe space climbing, from the local choss heap to one of the most iconic piece of granite in the country. The final bit is a song titled Odds of Dawn, written and performed by our super talented friend Andy Mann, a National Geographic photographer, director, musician, and climber. Show Notes Access Fund: https://www.accessfund.org Write your comment here : https://www.accessfund.org/action-alerts/action-alert-help-secure-the-future-of-americas-climbing Super hot enormo-foot: https://www.instagram.com/p/DZ5DCLMFebO/?img_index=1 Andy Mann: https://www.instagram.com/andy_mann/ https://www.andymann.com Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
June 24 · 1 hr 15 min
The RunOut #170: Get Diked: a Yosemite Episode
Cameron King is the climbing program supervisor for Yosemite National Park. Greg Stock is Yosemite’s resident geologist. Both are climbers and they’re here today to talk about various issues within America’s most notable national park. But first, we tie in for a discussion about the new Ten Sleep-style modern classic, Snake Dike, and what to do about the slippery slope that climbing is on. Patrick Curry is a longtime Valley climber, longtime listener, and first-time contributor to the Final Bit under his stage name of Motorcycle Butt Face. This submission, crafted using guitars and a computer, is a reference to a comment Andy Salo made on this years TAPS episode of the Enormocast. So without further adieu, and with our deepest condolences to Patrick Curry’s wife, please enjoy this short new track from Motorcycle Butt Face. Show Notes ‘Snake Dike’ First Ascensionist Speaks Out About Last Week’s Sudden Retro-Bolting | https://www.climbing.com/news/snake-dike-first-ascensionist-speaks-out-after-new-bolts-appear/ Mountain Project thread | https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/203127636/half-domes-snake-dike-is-being-retrobolted-get-involved Snake Dike and a Return to Risk | https://eveningsends.com/snake-dike-and-a-return-to-risk/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
May 30 · 1 hr 11 min
The RunOut #169: Jonathan Siegrist is closing in on 100 routes 9a or harder
Jonathan Siegrist is a professional rock climber, widely regarded as one of the most prolific sport climbers in the world. He’s best known for pushing very hard sport routes, including numerous 5.15 ascents. This year he’s on track to reaching 100 routes rated 9a or harder. But first, we discuss the latest local drama, from price hikes to redtags, and what it all means when you have to watch some kid put down the hackysack long enough to hike your project Last, Kalous closes things out with his acoustic rendition of the 1972 soft-rock classic “Brandy(You’re a Fine Girl)” — reimagined for climbing. Show Notes Follow Jonathan Siegrist | https://www.instagram.com/jonathansiegrist Jonathan’s 8a.nu | https://www.8a.nu/user/mr-gruntz Training | https://trainingforclimbing.com/jonathan-siegrist-trains-5-15-climbs/ Latest FA | https://www.instagram.com/p/DYaCHlnlO-T/ Red Tagging in Rifle: The Debate Over ‘En Passant’ | https://www.climbing.com/news/red-tagging-rifle-en-passant/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
May 18 · 1 hr 24 min
The RunOut #168: Finger Bangers Ball with Lillian Frances
What good is finger strength if you don’t know how to use it? Lillian Frances is a self-produced indie pop star based in LA who has written a new manual called Finger Banging For Climber Boys* (And Everyone Else). We discuss all things digital stimulation and and celebrate centering female pleasure. But first, what gets you stoked in climbing right now? Yer hyped-up hosts review some of the latest climbing news to surf the swell of stoke. For today’s final bit, of course, we’re bringing back our guest Lillian Frances with her song Touching You. Check out the show notes for links to Lillian’s music, book, and more. Show Notes Follow Lillian Frances: https://www.instagram.com/lillianfrancess/ Follow Finger Banging for Climber Boys: http://instagram.com/fingerbangingforclimberboys Buy the book: https://fingerbangingforclimberboys.com Official website / EPK: https://www.lillianfrancesmusic.com/epk Bandcamp: https://lillianfrances.bandcamp.com SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/lillianfrances YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/LillianFrances Reagan on Tales of Power in Yosemite: https://www.youtube.com/@reagan_rocks_rides Yannik Flohé downgrades everything: https://www.lacrux.com/en/klettern/Yannick-Flohe-repeats-%22No-One-Mourns-the-Wicked%22-and-downgrades-it-to-8c Patagonia news: https://www.climbing.com/news/climbers-spent-40-days-wall-patagonia/ Adam Ondra: https://www.youtube.com/@AdamOndra/videos New harness bag: https://arcteryx.com/us/en/shop/lithos-sl-harness-9982 Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
April 30 · 1 hr 1 min
The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state of climbing this year
Matt Samet is a sport-climbing pioneer, climbing lifer, writer, editor, and literary icon. His new role at the American Alpine Club is launching the American Climbing Journal, an annual perfect-bound book documenting the biggest and most interesting ascents of the year. But first, what would it take to get you to quit climbing? Kalous briefly dreams of taking the easy way out before Bisharat knocks some sense into him, as per usual. Last but never least, our final bit comes from climber Stefan Levinson, stage name WITHANEFF and the track Are Zombies Happy. Show Notes Follow Matt Samet — https://www.instagram.com/phorrizzler6514/ Follow the American Alpine Club — https://www.instagram.com/americanalpine/ Follow the American Alpine Journal — https://www.instagram.com/americanalpinejournal/ AAC — https://americanalpineclub.org Stefan Levinson / WITHANEFF — https://soundcloud.com/stefanwithaneff Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
April 20 · 1 hr 22 min
The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances
Melissa Strong is a climber, restaurateur, and writer. In 2017, she nearly lost her life in an electrical accident that left her with amputated and disfigured hands. Her new book is called Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances. But first, we talk (more) about Dean Potter, the late climbing and BASE jumping visionary who is the subject of a new documentary called The Dark Wizard. Today's final bit is a listener-submitted homage to some climbing partners and community, from Daniel Kent. Show Notes Melissa Strong: https://www.melissaistrong.com Follow Melissa Strong: https://www.instagram.com/melissaistrong/ "Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Second Chances: https://www.melissaistrong.com/about Watch The Dark Wizard: https://www.hbomax.com/shows/dark-wizard/76e78c26-21c9-45b4-b84b-4c3e1f8ff763 Still getting "free climbing" wrong: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/the-dark-wizard-hbo-max-review/ The True Story Behind The Dark Wizard, via TIME: https://time.com/article/2026/04/13/the-dark-wizard-dean-potter-true-story/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
March 29 · length unknown
The RunOut #165: Chasing the big projects with Ethan Salvo
Ethan Salvo is a Canadian climber based in Squamish, who's best known as the first Canadian to climb V16. He's been on a tear recently, and his most recent notable ascent is Lucid Dreamg, the V15 in Bishop Last year Ethan Salvo became the first Canadian to climb V16, with the second ascent of Event Horizon in Squamish. That same week, he also climbed Dreamcatcher, Chris Sharma's 5.14d. And this past he winter, he climbed Lucid Dreaming, the V15 in Bishop. But first, your lukewarm podcast hosts discuss a hot take: Was hang dogging a mistake? Our final bit is Jess Steven with a cover of "Black Flies" Show Notes Follow Ethan Salvo: https://www.instagram.com/ethansalvo Ethan Salvo on Substack: https://ethansalvo.substack.com https://blackdiamondequipment.com/blogs/stories/event-horizon Follow Jessica Steven: https://www.instagram.com/peace.and.choss Jessica Steven: https://jessicasteven.weebly.com/ This episode is sponsored by Patagonia. Check out their new Free Wall Kit: https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
March 17 · 1 hr 28 min
The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes
Margo Hayes is a professional climber, model, musician, and artist — and she's best known as the first woman to climb 5.15a, a grade she reached not just once, but three times: La Rambla, Biographie, and Papichulo. In recent years, a battle with Lyme disease has made climbing at her limit difficult, and she's channeled her energy into art, music, and writing. Her new book, The Margo Method, outlines her approach to climbing and health. But first, we pore over the details of a very interesting, precedent-setting case involving a manslaughter conviction after a winter mountaineering ascent turns tragic. Our final bit is a San Diego rock band called Half Hour Late, with their song Ain't Nothing New. Show Notes Follow Margo Hayes: https://www.instagram.com/margojain/ "The Margo Method: Strong and Soft": https://margohayes.com/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft/the-margo-method-strong-and-soft Margo's music: "Notes To You": https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/margojain/notes-to-you Austrian Man Found Guilty in Girlfriend’s Death on Mountain Hike: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/19/world/europe/austrian-man-girlfriend-death-mountain-hike-guilty.html Follow Half Hour Late: https://www.instagram.com/halfhourlate/ https://halfhourlate.com https://open.spotify.com/track/3XC0lgx3HJO2zsNoPJ7C2l?si=7a3ef6a566904b5d The new Free Wall Kit from Patagonia This episode is sponsored by our friends at Patagonia. The new Free Wall Kit is a six piece kit designed to help you perform, rest, and recover on multi-pitch climbs. Check out the full kit here: https://www.patagonia.com/free-wall-kit/?utm_source=runout&utm_medium=endemic&utm_campaign=S26_freewallkit
February 18 · 1 hr 14 min
The RunOut #163: Connor Herson continues to crush everything
Connor Herson is back. He needs no introduction, but he's easily one of, if not the best, trad climber in the world at the moment. We talk about his 2025 climbing season in Yosemite, when he ticked the free Nose in a day, got a first free ascent of Triple Direct, and climbed many other major notable routes all while going to school. But first, what's next for Alex Honnold? We have some ideas. Today's final bit is from photographer and musician Cliff Ritchey, with the song "Patagonia." Cliff teamed up with writer Kelsey Timmerman on a book called "Regenerating Earth," by Patagonia Books, that documents regenerative farming practices around the world. During their travels, they visited Patagonia, and Cliff fell in love with the place, the people, and the culture. The result is this song, titled "Patagonia." Show Notes Follow Connor Herson on IG: https://www.instagram.com/connor.herson Did Connor Herson Just Have the Best 3 Days in Yosemite Climbing History? - via Climbing.com: https://www.climbing.com/news/connor-herson-nose-in-a-day-and-triple-direct/ Connor's latest news: https://www.instagram.com/p/DUqlp18j6vL/?img_index=1 Follow Cliff Ritchey on IG: https://www.instagram.com/cliffritcheyart/ Cliff Ritchey photography / music: https://cliffritchey.com "Regenerating Earth": https://www.patagonia.com/product/regenerating-earth-farmers-working-with-nature-to-feed-our-future/BK935.html Listen to "Patagonia" on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/track/7FI7MHOVpU75neTEUC3JIn?si=df8c08fae8c6469a Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
January 30 · length unknown
The RunOut #162: Mary Eden on her ascent of Century Crack
Mary Eden is known on Instagram as Trad Princess but in real life, she's one of the sport's best offwidth crack climbers. Recently she acheived the first female ascent of Century Crack, perhaps the world's longest and hardest wide roof crack. But first, we talk about what everyone’s talking about. Alex Honnold and Taipei 101. To listen to the full intro bit, however, you'll need to head over to Patreon.com/runoutpodcast to become a supporter of the show. With just a few more subscribers, we'll make as much money as Honnold did free soloing Taipei. Today's final bit comes from the heavy metal band Bygone, with Canmore-based climber Noah Stachulski on guitar. When Noah's not contemplating dry-tooling ethics, he's debating his music bros on how to classify different genres of metal. Little surprise these the two worlds go together so well. Show Notes Mary Eden Becomes First Woman to Send ‘Century Crack’ (5.14b) https://www.climbing.com/news/mary-eden-trad-princess-first-female-ascent-century-crack/ Follow Mary Catherine Eden on Instagram https://instagram.com/tradprincess Alex Honnold Completes Historic Live Climb of Taipei 101 https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/how-to-watch-alex-honnold-skyscraper-climb-live-netflix Bygone on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/7ii5T8TaNV9XpG2mOkwslf?si=yqRUoJa3QzG11wC4oxoKKg Follow Noah Stachulski on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/atthemountainsofradness/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
January 12 · 1 hr 14 min
The RunOut #161: The man who wants to reinvent comp climbing, Charlie Boscoe
Just when you though you understood what a zone hold was ... Hasn't the comp climbing format already been "solved?" Some think there is room for improvement, including Charlie Boscoe, an alpinist turned World Cup commentator. He is the co-founder of the Professional Climbing League, a new comp series launching in London on February 28. But first, Chris sings praise of a crag where people know how to operate, and the wheat is separated from the chaff. Unfortunately, it turns out the chaff is Andrew. For our final bit, friend of the show Christopher Parker returns with the namesake track off his new album, Withered Roses, dropping January 30th. Show notes Professional Climbing League: https://www.proclimbing.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ProClimbingLeague Follow the PCL: https://www.instagram.com/proclimbingleague/ Follow Charlie Boscoe: https://www.instagram.com/charlieboscoe1/ Western Sloper: https://www.wolverinepublishing.com/shop-all-guidebooks/p/western-sloper-4th-edition Christopher Parker Music: https://christopherparkermusic.com Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6qZrlQIIBrZGDvx69AXmus?si=try9WEw7T86bNvCw770smQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/christopher-parker/9258292 Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
Dec 13, 2025 · 1 hr 6 min
The RunOut #160: How Lara Neumeir Climbs with Composure and Control
Lara Neumeier is a German climber known for her composure on demanding, heady terrain. Her notable ascents include a repeat of Psychogramm (5.14a trad), Silbergeier and End of Silence—two of the iconic multipitch alpine routes that form Europe’s so-called Alpine Trilogy—as well as El Corazón and the Pineapple Express on El Capitan. Before diving into Lara’s climbing and approach to mental strength, we open with a conversation about the benefits—and potential pitfalls—of choosing a climber as your partner for life, both on and off the rock. This episode’s final bit comes from Dave Pomeranz, a longtime climber balancing life as a dad and guitarist while roaming the American West. His band, Whale Fall, contributes the track “The Dawn Thief,” inspired by long night drives through deserts and mountains on the way to climb. Show Notes Follow Lara Neumeier: https://www.instagram.com/laraneumeier/ Pineapple Express: https://www.planetmountain.com/en/news/climbing/lara-neumeier-nemuel-fuerle-repeat-el-nino-via-pineapple-express-el-capitan-yosemite.html Psychogramm news: https://www.lacrux.com/klettern/lara-neumeier-zeigt-nervenstarke-erste-frauenbegehung-von-trad-route-psychogramm/ Thomas Huber: The Day I Sent End of Silence: https://eveningsends.com/thomas-huber-the-day-i-sent-the-end-of-silence/ Whale Fall on Bandcamp https://whalefall.bandcamp.com Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast
Nov 26, 2025 · 1 hr 33 min
The RunOut #159: Fallon Rowe Climbs Through Trauma and Into Strength
Fallon Rowe is a climber, writer, coach, teacher, researcher, and many more things. Her new book is called Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival. Beyond discussing the traumatic story that she tells in her book, we enjoyed listening to Fallon bring her always thoughtful, grounded perspective to the way she approaches movement, risk, and life on the rock. But first, we sit down to talk about The Art of Suffering. No, not the kind of suffering we normally describe of getting to Rifle and finding nowhere to park. The kind of suffering that only one of alpinism's most enigmatic and thoughtful philosophers could articulate: Voytek Kurtkyka, the legendary Polish climber. Our final bit comes from climber, listener, and drummer Todd Hammond, and the Utah-based band The Statuettes. This track is called The of End of Everything. Show Notes Follow Fallon Rowe: https://www.instagram.com/fallonclimbs "Pay No Mind: A Memoir of Climbing, Abuse, and Survival" at DiAngelo Books: https://www.diangelopublications.com/shop/p/pay-no-mind Voytek Kurtyka: "The Art of Suffering": https://thefossilclub.blogspot.com/2012/07/art-of-suffering.html?m=1 More on Voytek: https://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/13201214642/The-Art-of-Freedom-The-Life-and-Climbs-of-Voytek-Kurtyka The Statuettes on Bandcamp: https://michaelgross.bandcamp.com/music Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
Oct 31, 2025 · 1 hr 27 min
The Runout #158: Laura Pineau and Kate Kellegan Go Big on Triple Crown
On June 8 Kate Kellegan and Laura Pineau (aka Mademoiselle Fissure) became the first women to complete the Yosemite Triple Crown. That means the climbed El Capitan, Half Dome and Mt. Watkins in a day. Their time was 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 40 seconds. In this conversation, Kate and Laura share the tactics they used to achieve their big link-up, including tapping into the stoke and support of the community. But first, Kalous lays down on the therapy couch while Dr. Bisharat tries to diagnose why redpointing projects isn't bringing him the kind of joy you might otherwise expect. Last, the Pink Rope Club from Atlanta performs their anthem. Show Notes Triple Crown News on UK Climbing: https://www.ukclimbing.com/news/2025/06/kate_kelleghan_and_laura_pineau_on_completing_the_yosemite_triple_crown-73998 Follow Kate Kellegan: https://www.instagram.com/katekelleghan/ Follow Laura Pineau: https://www.instagram.com/laurapineau/ Become a RunOut Rope Gun! Support our podcast and increase your RunOut runtime. Bonus episodes, AMA, and more will be available to our Rope Guns. Thank you for your support! http://patreon.com/runoutpodcast Contact us Send ideas, voicemail, feedback and more. andrew@runoutpodcast.com // chris@runoutpodcast.com
Oct 11, 2025 · 1 hr 4 min
The RunOut #157: Born to climb with kids’ book author Danielle Sarli
Danielle Sarli is a kindergarten teacher, musician, and passionate climber. She is the author of Little Climber, a new kids' book illustrated by Amanda Joy Hogan. We discuss how to tap into that kid-like innate urge to climb, and kindle the joy that we all feel when stand on top of the world—or our own projects. But first, your inquisitive show hosts take a moment to ask each other anything. Literally, anything. Last, we'd be remiss not to share some of Danielle's musical chops. Here she is performing Beauty Land. Show Notes Follow Danielle Sarli: https://www.instagram.com/danielle_climbs/ Order "Little Climber": https://littleclimberbook.com/shop Watch "Beauty Land" music video: https://youtu.be/y1Jc2xvI_oo?si=eVUstBI6i_k1ONJ_

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