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Math Therapy

Vanessa Vakharia, aka The Math Guru

Math Therapy explores the root causes of math trauma, and the empowering ways we can heal from it. Each week host Vanessa Vakharia, aka The Math Guru, dives into what we get right and wrong about math education, and chats with some of today’s most inspiring and visionary minds working to make math more accessible, diverse, and fun for students of all ages. Whether you think you’re a "math person" or not, you’re about to find out that math people don’t actually exist – but the scars that math class left on many of us, definitely do. And don’t worry, no calculators or actual math were involved in the making of this podcast ;)

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Thursday · 49 min
What neuroscience tells us about who can & can’t do math w/ Hillary Mastarciyan
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) What happens in the brain when we're learning math? What makes some students struggle more than others with it? Can someone study brain science if they're scared of math?! These are some of the questions that took today's guest Hillary Mastarciyan from severe math anxiety in high school (she was a former student at Vanessa's tutoring centre) to her current PhD in neuroscience at Toronto Metropolitan University! In today's episode, they discuss: if math anxiety is "transmissible" to students (from either teachers or parents) the real reasons we see differences in math attitudes between genders how learning math is different from learning reading in the brain Hillary is living proof that math anxiety in school doesn't put an expiry date on your ambitions - if she can become a neuroscientist, you can achieve your dreams too! Articles mentioned: The AIM Collective: Connecting Research and Practice in Canadian Early Mathematics Education Bridges over troubled waters: education and cognitive neuroscience Computing Whether She Belongs: Stereotypes Undermine Girls’ Interest and Sense of Belonging in Computer Science About Hillary: Hillary Mastarciyan is a PhD student in Psychological Sciences at Toronto Metropolitan University, working in the neuroIDEA Lab under the supervision of Dr. Moriah Sokolowski. Her research draws on developmental psychology, numerical cognition, and cognitive neuroscience to investigate how children develop mathematical knowledge and why some learners struggle to acquire foundational mathematical skills. She aims to build on this work by combining behavioural and neuroscientific approaches to better understand the cognitive foundations of early mathematical learning and the factors that support successful development in mathematics. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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October 1 · 29 min
How to treat math like a team sport & help every kid find their role w/ Kallen Currie
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) We talk about math trauma all the time on this podcast, but sometimes the feelings around it can be hard to articulate. There's one confidence-crusher we can all easily picture from school though - the feeling of being picked last for the team in gym class. So today we're going to explore something a little different: what math class would be like if we treated it like a team sport! Kallen Currie is a physical education teacher and sports coach from Mistawasis First Nation in Saskatchewan, and he has figured out something most of us are still struggling with: how to make every kid feel like they belong before we ever ask them to perform. Vanessa chatted with him live at a conference in Saskatoon to discuss: The importance of helping students find their roles on the team How a disengaged kid might actually just be an anxious kid Positivity: the ultimate superpower on and off the field This episode is a must-listen no matter what subject you teach, because it shows how to make sure every student in the class feels like they belong. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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September 24 · 46 min
How to support teachers the way we expect them to support students w/ Courtney Flessner
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Ever drive down a familiar road, hit the same old pothole, and think "Didn't they patch that up last summer? And it's already back?!" Well buckle your seatbelt, because today's guest is going to show you how the same is true in math education, and why we need to FIX THE DAMN ROAD! Courtney Flessner has 30 years of experience behind the wheel of teaching practices, and is an advocate for supporting teachers with schools that help them grow and professional development that actually makes a difference. Today she joins Vanessa to discuss: Why teachers often default to teaching the way they were taught The power of vulnerability and honesty in helping students learn Whether a teacher's own math anxiety is "contagious" This is a must-listen for any teacher that's felt like they want to keep growing but don't know where to start! Links mentioned: Learning Together: Organizing Schools for Teacher and Student Learning (book) About Courtney: (Instagram, LinkedIn) Courtney Flessner is the Director of Keep Indiana Learning at the Central Indiana Educational Service Center. She spent 17 years working in public, private, and public charter schools as a classroom teacher, instructional coach, and administrator. Her work focuses on supporting instructional leaders and elementary mathematics teachers in creating environments that foster ambitious and equitable mathematics teaching. She is passionate about changing the narrative that some people are simply “not math people” and inspiring educators to teach mathematics ambitiously - and maybe even have a little fun while doing so. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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September 17 · 25 min
How to follow the curriculum without selling your soul
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Over the summer, Vanessa recorded our first interview with an actual real life audience when she sat down at a conference with Chase Orton for an unfiltered and tense conversation. Among many hot topics debated, they discussed the challenges teachers face in wanting to make changes in their students' lives while having to closely follow curricula and standards - and one clip went VIRAL online with teachers all over the continent weighing in! Even months later, Vanessa is convinced that there MUST be some middle ground, so today she explores 5 strategies teachers can use to seek balance between the extremes by finding the "middle path": if you can't move the mountain, move a stone use the curriculum, don't let it use you protect the first 5 minutes of your class build your community redefine "success" Links mentioned: The Math Therapy episode with Chase Orton that started it all and the clip that went viral on TikTok with 200 comments 3 things every math teacher should do from Day 1 Episode on redefining "success" Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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September 10 · 1 hr 7 min
Before & After Pt. 2: How Math Therapy changed Lauren Keeling's life (4 months later)
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Last week we shared a full Math Therapy session with lifelong "not-a-math-person" Lauren Keeling, which was recorded as part of Imagine Learning's "Heart Work" podcast series on math anxiety. And as promised, today Vanessa follows up with Lauren 4 months later to learn the domino effect that session had on her whole life! They discuss: How her story around math impacted her ENTIRE identity How Duolingo Math made learning fun & low-stakes (131-day streak & counting!) The key to healing math trauma: build trust & remove shame Links mentioned: Last week's Before & After Pt. 1 w Lauren Keeling 3-part podcast series: "Heart Work: Breaking the Cycle of Math Anxiety" by Imagine Learning How Math Therapy changed my entire life w/ Charizma Laughton (Jun '25) About Lauren: Lauren Keeling is a National Curriculum Consultant with Imagine Learning and the host of Heart Work, a podcast exploring the work of America's educators. A literacy leader with more than 15 years of experience supporting public education systems, she has served as a teacher, principal, curriculum strategist, and educational leader, helping districts navigate meaningful instructional change. Lauren is passionate about the intersection of learning, leadership, and the human side of educational transformation. She is also completing doctoral research on collaborative leadership and curriculum change. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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September 3 · 35 min
Before & After Pt. 1: How Math Therapy changed Lauren Keeling's life (May 2026)
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Today we bring you part 1 of 2 of our first ever Math Therapy Makeover "Before & After"! When Vanessa first met Lauren Keeling earlier this year, being "not a math person" defined her entire life. Visiting Vanessa's tutoring centre in Toronto with her team from Imagine Learning's Heart Work podcast, Lauren was dreading her IRL math therapy session - literally terrified that Vanessa would ask her to do math with the mics on and cameras rolling! But what actually happened was magic; the two unpacked the roots of her icky feelings around math and talked through how to flip the script. The 2nd episode of Heart Work's 3-part series on math anxiety included portions of that session, but Imagine Learning graciously allowed us to share the FULL convo with Math Therapy listeners! And what makes this EXTRA special is that Vanessa interviewed Lauren 4 months later to find out what changed - and we'll be airing THAT episode NEXT week! Links mentioned: 3-part podcast series: "Heart Work: Breaking the Cycle of Math Anxiety" by Imagine Learning Watch this interview: extended video interview on Heart Work's YouTube Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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August 27 · 50 min
What to do when your math class needs an intervention w/ Juliana Tapper
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Have you ever felt like math education needs to take a good long look at itself in the mirror and make some major changes before everything goes off the rails? Like one of those Hollywood interventions - but for math class? Well today's guest, Juliana Tapper, is a math interventionist! She steps in to help students before they slip through the cracks. Today they discuss: what a math intervention is and how it works the keys to a successful intervention small shifts teachers can try that really make a difference The conversation also gets emotional when Juliana reads out some of her student “mathographies” (their personal math stories), showing how powerful it can be when students are able to voice their deepest feelings and fears around math. Links mentioned: Coherence by Design article by TNTP about intervention tutoring Free download: "My Mathography" - print and try with your students! About Juliana: (Website, Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn) Juliana Tapper is living proof that your worst subject can become your superpower. After healing her own early math trauma, she dedicated her life to ending the cycle of math trauma for other kids and to empowering teachers with strategies and tools that actually work for students who have been historically unsuccessful in math. She works with schools, districts, state departments of education, and juvenile justice systems to make math accessible for all. She is the bestselling author of Teaching 6-12 Math Intervention: A Practical Framework to Engage Students Who Struggle and the host of the K-12 Math Intervention Summit. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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August 20 · 36 min
3 things every math teacher should do from day one
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Some of you have already started school, while the rest are just counting down the days ... so Vanessa is back this week with 3 easy & actionable strategies you can bring to your math class RIGHT now, to set the tone that each of your students belongs in your classroom this year and has the ability to build a better relationship with math. Collect: find out what baggage kids might be bringing into class Co-Create: make ALL voices valued, heard, and respected (including yours!) Connect: break down the student-teacher barrier, even in a big class For more, download the FREE Math Therapy Toolkit here and let us know how it goes - you've got this! Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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August 6 · 5 min
Taking my own advice
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Things have been a little crazy over here so Math Therapy is going to take a couple weeks off to catch our breath, but we will be back later this month to get you fired up for back to school! In the meantime, here are a few ways you can get your Math Therapy fix: Vanessa was recently featured in episode 2 of the 3-part series on math anxiety called Heart Work by Imagine Learning She was also just interviewed on the Modern Math Teacher podcast Math Therapy Roulette! Go to the podcast feed in your app, scroll way back and randomly pick an episode to listen to - we've been podcasting since 2019 so there are a lot of gems back there! Enjoy the rest of your summer and we'll be back soon - and make sure to take care of yourself too if you need it! Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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July 30 · 50 min
Fluency & Flexibility aren't the math F-bombs you think they are w/ Christina Tondevold
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) One of the most misunderstood words in math ed right now is "fluency", so Vanessa invited an expert on the podcast to demystify it: educator Christina Tondevold. Christina calls herself a "recovering traditionalist" - she committed to stop teaching students in the same ineffective ways she was taught as a student. They discuss a ton of practical strategies you can bring to your classroom, such as: showing students how connected math is (in class and in their lives) building fluency on 3 balanced pillars: efficiency, accuracy, and flexibility teaching students to learn math by teaching them to be problem solvers If you enjoy this conversation, sign up for Christina's free 3-day virtual summit August 10-12, 2026 featuring Vanessa and a ton of other incredible speakers! Register here for the FREE "Build Math Minds Thinking Summit" About Christina: (Website) Christina Tondevold is a Recovering Traditionalist - she previously taught mathematics traditionally and expected the students to parrot back what she taught them. Now she gets to work with teachers in developing students’ mathematical understandings in a balanced way by developing conceptual understanding while working on procedural fluency through her site BuildMathMinds.com where you can get PD at Your Fingertips. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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July 23 · 29 min
Math Therapy Masterclass Part 2: How to start next year with confidence
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Today we bring you part 2 in Vanessa's two part Math Therapy Masterclass on how to start the coming school year with renewed confidence - for yourself and for your students! In part 1 she shared 4 exercises/experiences you can try this summer (check it out here ICYMI), and she's back with 4 more: 5) practice being bad at something 6) find a mindset/psychology book/podcast (suggestions below) 7) try Duolingo Math 8) face your math trauma as a grown up Let us know if you tried any of these and what happened! Books/podcasts mentioned: Mel Robbins Podcast Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle The Four Agreements by Miguel Ruiz Atomic Habits by James Clear How Minds Change by David McRaney Mindset by Carol Dweck Daring Greatly by Brené Brown Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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July 16 · 39 min
Math Therapy Masterclass Part 1: How to start next year with confidence
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Summer is a great time for some much needed rest after the school year, but it also provides some rare quiet time for reflection and personal projects. For many of us, that includes preparing for an even better year ahead - and that often starts with feeling more confident about math. So Vanessa assembled this 2-part mini-masterclass to walk you through 8 tiny exercises you can try this summer, starting today with: don't do it alone - find a math friend replace "proving" with "improving" build an evidence folder of your successes collect your moments of math confidence You don't have to do them all! But you do have to text us if you try any :) And tune in next week for 4 more! *SUBMISSIONS ARE NOW CLOSED* This episode is sponsored by Texas Instruments! Listen to the episode for instructions to enter to win an "Oh My Math" box featuring: the new TI-84 Evo graphing calculator + 4-yr license an adorable plushie TI calculator keychain! Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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July 9 · 35 min
Why math class might be more stressful than air travel w/ Cathy Marks Krpan
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Prior to spontaneously recording this convo between sessions at CAMT in Fort Worth, TX recently, Vanessa and today's guest Cathy Marks Krpan had only really spent time together while frantically travelling through airports trying to make their connections. And in between panicked pleas to airport golf carts and documenting every detail on Instagram, one thing kept coming up - how the stress and uncertainty of air travel held so many parallels with the anxiety we feel in math class. Cathy has an incredibly warm & empathetic approach to teaching and shares inspiring insights on: sitting with the unknown empowering people with choice & agency treating students like the complex, emotional humans they are About Cathy: (Website, Instagram) An award-winning author and former classroom teacher, Cathy Marks Krpan is a professor at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education, at the University of Toronto, where she teaches graduate courses in mathematics education. She works with classroom teachers and school districts across North America and internationally on effective teaching and learning strategies in mathematics. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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July 2 · 42 min
What 3 viral trends tell us about math trauma in 2026
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) As her Screen Time app will confirm, Vanessa spends way too much time online - so when trends involving math pop up, you can be sure she has commented, shared, ranted, and made her own version. Sadly, most of these “trends” involve negative stereotypes around math ability. These cliches are also extremely gendered, specifically directed at women and girls. So today she discusses 3 recent viral trends and what we can do to flip the script (click the links for examples): “I'm creative ... bc I suck at math" "I'm just pretending to do math - you’re the smart one" "I'm too pretty to do math" Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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June 25 · 17 min
Math in prison, chaotic podcast energy, and the legend of Sister Beth (summer mailbag)
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Summer is officially ON, so it's a great time to hear from YOU in another mailbag episode where Vanessa reads the texts you've sent us! This batch pulls together a few threads from episodes we've released over the last few months - some will make you laugh, and some might make you tear up just as Vanessa did when reading them out. And if you want to send us a message about the podcast or about something you'd like Vanessa to discuss over the summer - just tap the link right above/below! Episodes mentioned: May 2026 - text from an inmate with the Prison Mathematics Project May 2026 - Vanessa's meltdown over tax season April 2026 - our last mailbag episode Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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June 18 · 49 min
Math anxiety, vulnerability, and the secrets to building student confidence w/ Amy Johnston
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Today's episode truly puts the "therapy" in Math Therapy! Vanessa chats with her friend Amy Johnston, a psychotherapist and empathic deep thinker, to discuss how trauma takes root in us, how it transfers through generations, and how being vulnerable about our own experiences can help us inspire students to rewrite their own narratives. This is a truly heartfelt conversation exploring questions like: Why your own math trauma is actually your greatest teaching superpower How to use strategies like narration real-time in the classroom How intergenerational trauma is like a snowball rolling downhill - and how to finally stop it About Amy: (Website, Instagram) Amy Johnston, MSW, is an Integrative Therapist specializing in inner world explorations with her clients. She lives in a magical forest up in Northern Ontario, Canada. *CONTEST IS NOW CLOSED* This episode is sponsored by Texas Instruments! Listen to the episode for instructions to enter to win an "Oh My Math" box featuring: the new TI-84 Evo graphing calculator + 4-yr license an adorable plushie TI calculator keychain! Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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June 11 · 48 min
How to get fired up about teaching (even if the system has crushed your spirit) w/ Chase Orton
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Vanessa recently took one step closer to her dream of hosting a Netflix show, recording the first ever live Math Therapy interview! For her session last week at Leander ISD's annual Math Joy Conference in Texas, she interviewed self-proclaimed "chaos-driven non-compliant educator" Chase Orton - and you can now hear their extremely unfiltered conversation in front of a room full of teachers whose gasps are VERY audible throughout! Chase and Vanessa share a fearlessness in calling out the education as it is, and in this convo they cover hot topics like: how teachers can stay motivated in a broken system who standardized testing benefits (hint: not students or teachers!) how to follow the rules while rebelling against the status quo About Chase: (Website, YouTube) As an accomplished facilitator of lesson study for K-12 math teachers, Chase Orton partners with districts who are interested in taking a teacher-centered, teacher-directed approach to professional development. Chase is also the author of The Imperfect and Unfinished Teacher of Mathematics. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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June 4 · 52 min
3 essential study skills to make exams less stressful for everyone w/ Deena Kara Shaffer
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Exam season is upon us, but NOBODY PANIC! Today's guest, learning strategist Dr. Deena Kara Shaffer, joined Vanessa to share some simple but game-changing study tips to help you get through exams without breaking a sweat. They discuss: what actually is learning, and what does and does not count as studying why we get trapped trying to perfect to-do lists & how to prioritize better how we can all use AI tools ethically to support our learning (not replace it) This episode is for anyone (students, teachers, parents) who find exam season stressful and need a pep talk about practical & effective ways to learn better! About Deena: (Website, Instagram, Facebook) For over 20 years, Dr. Deena has dedicated her career to promoting more equity and justice in learning and enabling the success of more than 5,000 students, educators, and business leaders through learning strategies. As a keynote speaker, mentor, training facilitator, and founder of Awakened Learning Inc., she looks forward to any opportunity to connect with individuals and organizations who are ready to feel happier, healthier, and more at peace. Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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May 28 · 9 min
The unexpected text that turned my day around (and may turn yours around too)
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Last week Vanessa ended her episode saying the podcast would be taking this week off while she was on vacation, but it might not surprise you that she is not exactly "good" at vacation .. so while she's definitely taking some much needed time off, she also could not resist recording this short episode after receiving a very unexpected and beautiful text from Timothy Jones, an inmate with the Prison Mathematics Project. Our podcast is available through prisons across the US, and Timothy was moved to write in to Vanessa through their messaging system after listening to her recent "tax season meltdown" episode. He shared some beautiful words of affirmation that we can all tell ourselves daily, which stem from his own journey getting to know his true self and rewriting the false stories he was told about himself in childhood. Links mentioned: Ep: Why smart people still feel out of control (and what to do about it) Ep: How math can help prison inmates turn their lives around w/ Christopher Havens Listen to new mini-series Heart Work by Imagine Learning, featuring Vanessa on episode 2! Learn more about the Prison Mathematics Project and ways to get involved Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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May 21 · 31 min
How I talked my way out of an anxiety spiral
Send us a text! (US messaging rates apply) Vanessa reflects on her recent self-described "meltdown episode" in which she talked herself down from a panic spiral. She was nervous to share something so messy & vulnerable, but the response was incredible - so many of you identified completely with her feelings. (Turns out tax season is a real trigger for us all!) Today, she shares some of her own observations once she had de-escalated, as well as some of the feedback and perspective she received - and most importantly she details what helped her actually get organized as opposed to just spiralling over the fear of being disorganized. Also, we got over 100 entries for last week's Texas Instruments "Oh My Math" Box giveaway! The winner has already been contacted, but if you didn't hear from us don't despair - we'll be giving away one box every month for the rest of the summer, so stay subscribed to Math Therapy so you don't miss your next chance to win. Links mentioned: Ep: Why smart people still feel out of control (and what to do about it) Ep: This will change the way you think about calculators w/ Curtis Brown Imagine Learning's podcast series "Heart Work" featuring Vanessa (Pt 1 available now) Contact us: Vanessa Vakharia: Instagram, TikTok, Email Math Therapy: Text the Podcast More Math Therapy: Get the book: Corwin, Amazon Audiobook: Audible, Spotify Merch store: Shop here
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