
Peter Greenaway: Sex, Death and The Cook, the Thief
Peter Greenaway, the director of The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, decided there was nothing after death when he was 13. Seventy-one years later, sitting in front of the Swiss Alps, he talks sex, death, ageing, his daughter's verdict on him and the films he will never get to make. Recorded at the St. Moritz Art Film Festival (SMAFF), where Greenaway was Guest of Honour, this special edition of Martin Deeson Unloaded sits down with one of British cinema's great provocateurs at 84. Trained as a painter, Greenaway broke through with The Draughtsman's Contract (1982), then made the run of films that defined arthouse cinema for a generation: A Zed & Two Noughts, The Belly of an Architect with Brian Dennehy, Drowning by Numbers with Joan Plowright, Juliet Stevenson and Joely Richardson, and The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover, with Michael Gambon, Helen Mirren and Tim Roth, Jean Paul Gaultier costumes and a Michael Nyman score. Later came Prospero's Books with John Gielgud and The Pillow Book with Ewan McGregor. Martin saw The Cook, the Thief exactly once, at the Renoir cinema in Bloomsbury in 1989, and has never shaken it off. Thirty-seven years later he gets to ask the man who made it what he was up to. In this episode: Why he stopped believing in any afterlife at 13, and why he still isn't afraid of dying Sex and death: omnipresent in all of us, "even if you're a nun or a sex maniac" The Cook, the Thief as a portrait of Evil with a capital E, and whether the Thatcherite greed it satirised has won The sequel nobody knew existed: what happens to Helen Mirren's murderess after the final shot? Why every Greenaway film is designed to remind you that you're watching a Greenaway film The Greenaway Alphabet, Saskia Boddeke's film in which he is interviewed, and categorised, by his teenage daughter Pip Why he feels "equivocal" about AI, and why The Cook, the Thief belongs on a big screen, not a phone His new film, shot in Lucca with Dustin Hoffman and Helen Hunt Howard Marks, and the Palma restaurant that looked exactly like The Cook, the Thief The unmade films of Peter Greenaway, and what he'd do if he lived to 300 Unloaded Podcast: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/martin-deeson-unloaded/id1885169674 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@MartinDeesonUnloaded X: https://x.com/martindeeson Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/martindeeson/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@martindeeson Website: https://www.unloadedpodcast.com/ Mentioned in this episode: The Greenaway Alphabet (dir. Saskia Boddeke, 2017) St. Moritz Art Film Festival (SMAFF) - https://smaff.org/ The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover (1989); The Draughtsman's Contract (1982); Drowning by Numbers (1988); A Zed & Two Noughts (1985) Original music by Chad Hobson