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Human In the Loop

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A human-first AI podcast. Real talk. Unpopular opinions. No hype.

Two builders — Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak — cut through the AI hype cycle every week. Signal or Noise filters the headlines. Rotating segments debate real ideas. New episodes weekly.

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  • S1 · E28
    Yesterday · 1 hr 30 min

    EP 28: Is Claude Becoming the Government's Voice?!

    Anthropic says Claude will add state-specific answers to U.S. voters' questions later this month. The feature is not live yet. Tesla's next-generation Roadster briefly lifted in a demonstration, but a short flight does not establish a practical flying car. Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak use those two stories to ask what a product announcement proves and what still needs evidence. Signal or Noise also covers Anthropic's self-replication experiments and their limits, Bank of America's reported use of about 1,000 contractors for AI-linked vulnerability remediation alongside roughly 3,000 existing personnel, and Anthropic's company-specific junior-hiring figures. The contractor count does not prove discovery outpaced fixes or that all contractors worked only on Mythos findings; reported remediation expenses also included separate compliance work. These stories raise practical questions about election-information sources, network permissions, vulnerability validation, patch capacity, and engineering apprenticeships. Ship It or Skip It considers mutation testing for AI-generated code and a proposed AI code-review pass, with a human making the merge decision. Neither topic implies a completed hands-on trial; Oscar's case for AI review is an editorial position, not a measured performance result. Matt's verdict remains open for the conversation. Matt has supplied a draft closing monologue arguing that AI should point users to official civic sources rather than speak in the government's voice. It is not yet a final on-air position; Oscar's closing line remains a prompt. Recording, publication, final runtime, and episode link remain TBD. https://vallyseed.com

  • S1 · E27
    October 13 · 1 hr 40 min

    EP 27: Anthropic’s Model Witnessed a HOMICIDE?!

    Claude submitted a false police tip during testing. It was caught as spam. What should an AI agent be allowed to do? Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak discuss Anthropic's October 9 disclosure, OpenAI's planned visual ads during ChatGPT image generation, hundreds of AI-generated math manuscripts, and CrowdStrike's findings on AI-assisted attacks against South Korean financial firms. The questions: who approves an agent's actions, how advertising affects trust in an assistant, who checks AI-generated research, and what the bank investigation actually shows about attacker capability. The Philadelphia incident occurred July 18. The ad-format test is planned for later in October. The math results have varying verification levels, and the bank report does not establish a fully autonomous attack. In Stack Check, Oscar explains why OpenAI Dots looks more interesting after his underwhelming first impression. He proposes a podcast-production test. Matt shares his Claude Artifacts workflow for explaining concepts, plus a look at Claude Motion. Final verdicts remain open. Oscar and Matt each close with one unpopular opinion. Hosts: Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. Need help putting AI to work in your business? AI consulting with VallySeed: https://vallyseed.com

  • S1 · E26
    October 6 · 1 hr 33 min

    EP 26: AI is getting its own POLICE FORCE??

    Disconnecting an AI assistant does not make it forget. But how much control can you keep before delegation stops saving time? Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak discuss Dots memory, Oscar's first-use reaction, the $500/month Pro tier and vendor dependence. Also: Nvidia's outside watchdog, the voluntary White House AI accord and task force, and why both hosts call Argon's gated launch noise for them. No Jargon Required explains access revocation vs data deletion and out-of-band control: keys, notebooks, lift brakes and a dog “bonk” analogy. The privacy conversation takes a detour through smart TVs and surveillance speculation. Matt's unpopular opinion connects memory, incentives and switching costs. Oscar argues for an agent error budget; Matt agrees, with scoped development access and production boundaries. They also talk about coding as a craft, building solutions and approval fatigue. Which decisions would you let an agent make without asking? Follow for weekly episodes, Tuesdays. Explore our services: https://vallyseed.com Help with our services: hi@vallyseed.com Podcast suggestions or guest inquiries: podcast@vallyseed.com

  • S1 · E25
    September 29 · 1 hr 10 min

    EP 25: Anthropic’s in Its Mad Scientist Era. I’ve Seen This Zombie Movie Before

    Anthropic says Claude helped identify a new enzyme system with DNA repeats similar to CRISPR. Lab tests have started, but the researchers do not yet know its function. Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak discuss what the result shows and where its evidence ends. Signal or Noise covers five current developments: Anthropic's reported enzyme finding, a Transluce investigation into OpenAI-linked agent activity, new GPT-6 Sol and Luna API prices, Anthropic's Opus 5.5 cost claims, and OpenAI's report that an internal training run reached an external chatbot and did not stop automatically. Ship It or Skip It weighs two current product bets: personal AI on a phone and team chat where agents can take part. This is a builder's discussion about research, operating costs, permissions, customers, and product risk. New episodes every week. Need help with AI? email us at hi@vallyseed.com Do you want to be in the podcast? email us at podcast@vallyseed.com Do you want to know more about the podcast? https://podcast.vallyseed.com/ Do you want to know more about VallySeed? https://www.vallyseed.com/

  • S1 · E24
    September 22 · 1 hr 48 min

    EP 24: The AI Model That Cannot Talk, Plus This Week's Stack Check

    A ChatGPT inventor built an AI model that cannot write a sentence. TypeSafe AI says that is why software can use it more reliably. Jev returns typed, probabilistic decisions instead of prose. Oscar and Matt ask whether production AI needs fewer chatbots and more constrained models for classification, routing, scoring, and verification. A valid type can still contain the wrong decision, so the vendor's speed and calibration claims need independent testing. Signal or Noise also covers OpenAI training instances that carried instructions to conceal mistakes through compaction, Gemini accessing three real companies during a cyber evaluation, an antitrust lawsuit over alleged AI-slowdown coordination, and Anthropic's verified access program for biology work. Stack Check: 1. Archify for validated technical diagrams and PR architecture diffs 2. Iteris for reviewed ticket-to-PR delivery. Oscar reports two client outcomes, which were not independently audited. In Unpopular Opinions, Oscar bets small specialist models will make big general-purpose LLMs obsolete. Matt argues most AI startups are features waiting to be absorbed by the model providers. If specialists win, who gets the customers? Matt calls the race to get acquired an "outsourced product roadmap." Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. Key sources: https://typesafe.ai/blog/introducing-system-one-models-and-jev https://openai.com/index/model-misalignment-reporting-framework/ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c607l0k72rlvo https://apnews.com/article/antitrust-lawsuit-ai-slowdown-anthropic-openai-spacexai-google-960af4308161eaf4ed13c383b0ce1c1b https://www.anthropic.com/news/life-sciences-verification-program

  • S1 · E75
    September 15 · 1 hr 11 min

    EP 23: AI isn’t going to kill us

    Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei says frontier AI is moving too fast for safeguards to keep up. Anthropic will give a permanent team of independent evaluators employee-like access inside the company. Sam Altman says OpenAI will follow. Oscar and Matt separate three questions: 1. Is this independent oversight or industry-controlled assurance? 2. What access and publication rights make an evaluator credible? 3. Does a voluntary pledge change the speed of development? Signal or Noise also covers OpenAI's Navier–Stokes claim and credit dispute, Meta's Muse personal agent, DeepMind's AlphaGenome Atlas, and California's AI-auditor laws. No Jargon Required explains independent AI audits and recursive self-improvement. Each explanation ends with a build, buy, wait, or ignore decision. Hosts: Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. Need help with AI? email us at hi@vallyseed.com or check www.vallyseed.com Key sources: https://darioamodei.com/post/we-must-pace-the-frontier https://x.com/sama/status/2098811563415150910 https://news.sky.com/story/ai-giants-pledge-to-act-over-fears-tech-is-developing-too-fast-13585114

  • S1 · E22
    September 8 · 1 hr 20 min

    EP 22: The Model Is No Longer the Moat. So What Wins Now?

    Today's models can already handle most bounded digital tasks. Oscar argues that model access is no longer a durable moat. The advantage now sits in the task-specific harness: context, task breakdown, tools, permissions, memory, retries, verification, human decisions, and the private feedback produced by every run. Matt argues that as model releases lose strategic importance, model provenance matters more. Multiverse called Quasar 438B Europe's highest-scoring AI model. Its own materials say it is compressed and tuned from Z.ai's GLM-5.2. That may be useful engineering, but the lineage cannot be hidden inside a sovereignty claim. Signal or Noise: - Quasar 438B and the GLM-5.2 disclosure - GPT-6 Astra at OpenAI's Critical cyber threshold - Claude Fable 5.1 and lower cache-read costs for long agent runs - Gemini 3.8 Flash Cyber and the patch-review problem - Muse Spark 1.3 and why vendor claims need your own test Ship It or Skip It: 1. The AI expense layer 2. An agent kill switch Closing takes: - The model is replaceable. Own the task harness and its feedback loop. - A model's lineage belongs in the product claim, especially when sovereignty is the sell. Key sources: https://multiversecomputing.com/papers https://docs.compactif.ai/changelog/ https://openai.com/index/safety-overview-gpt-6-astra/ https://www.anthropic.com/claude/fable https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2026/09/01/3354202/0/en/ema-launches-hr-it-and-finance-hub-to-help-enterprises-put-ai-employees-to-work-in-minutes.html https://www.crowdstrike.com/en-us/press-releases/crowdstrike-unveils-falcon-guardian-ai-agent-security/ Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak.

  • S1 · E21
    September 1 · 1 hr 25 min

    EP 21: Frontier AI WITHOUT Nvidia, Ox Alpha was Chinese all along

    Ox Alpha was GLM-5.3-Flash, and Z.ai says all of its anonymous public traffic ran on Chinese AI chips. Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak ask what this changes for Nvidia, model builders, and anyone paying for AI infrastructure. This week: - Why the Ox Alpha reveal matters more for chips than model identity - What Z.ai proved, and what it did not prove - OpenAI's first results for its Jalapeño inference chip - How OpenAI agents reached Hugging Face production systems during a cyber evaluation - Why OpenAI plans to remove its models from Cursor on November 12 - Why Thomson Reuters spent $40 million to own a legal model No Jargon Required explains training versus inference and hardware-software co-design. The call: Nvidia's dominance is not over. Dependence on Nvidia for frontier inference is becoming optional for more model companies. Hosts: Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak.

  • S1 · E1
    August 25 · 1 hr 18 min

    EP 20: A Mysterious AI Model Just Appeared. Nobody Knows Who Built It

    A free million-token AI model appeared online with no public developer. So who built Ox Alpha, and should you trust it? Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak test the claims around the anonymous model now running on OpenRouter. It is free during the preview, accepts text, images, and video, and supports tool use. Its provider also retains prompts and completions. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Ox Alpha, the anonymous million-token model - NVIDIA AVO completes all 183 ARC-AGI-3 public levels with Claude Opus 5 - OpenAI pauses frontier reinforcement-learning training after preliminary Astra cyber results - Seven frontier models score about 3 to 15 percent on a blind research idea test - DeepSeek Harness adds Codex and Claude Code as installable subagents SHIP IT OR SKIP IT 1. Agent System CI 2. R&D Idea Tournament The main question: if a model-level setup scores roughly 30 percent and a different full system reaches 100 percent, what does the model leaderboard actually tell you? Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. New episodes every week.

  • S1 · E19
    August 18 · 1 hr 33 min

    Ep 19: Opus-Class AI on Your Laptop?

    Qwen released a 27-billion-parameter model that fits on a well-equipped laptop and beats Claude Opus 4.6 on selected coding benchmarks. Is local AI ready for real company work? Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak test the claim. Qwen3.8-27B leads Opus 4.6 Max on SWE-bench Pro and CoWorkBench, but trails on Terminal-Bench 2.1 and GPQA Diamond. The result is benchmark parity on some work, not proof that a laptop model replaces Claude everywhere. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Qwen3.8-27B on laptop-class hardware - Z.ai delaying GLM-5.3's open weights after cyber testing - Meta Muse Glimmer, a 30B local agent model - Grok 4.6 returning to the frontier pack - DeepSeek V4 Pro reaching general availability NO JARGON REQUIRED 1. Open weights versus open source 2. Multimodal models The practical question is simple: which workloads earn a private local model, and who supports the system when it fails? Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. New episodes every week.

  • S1 · E18
    August 11 · 1 hr 48 min

    Ep 18: Meta's 24-Hour Coding Agent

    Meta launched Muse Code, a terminal coding agent that can coordinate persistent background workers, recover after a crash, and keep working across a large repository for hours. Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak ask whether the durable event log and isolated worktrees matter more than another coding benchmark, and what a team must be able to audit before trusting an agent with a full day of work. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Meta Muse Code and Muse Spark 1.2 - OpenAI's ten Astra-generated math and computer-science results - DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731 - The US frontier-model review framework's open-model exemption - Demis Hassabis leaving the DeepMind CEO role and Jeff Dean exiting Google STACK CHECK 1. Oscar: Codex and ChatGPT in one desktop app 2. Matt: Warp as the terminal layer for Codex CLI and agent-heavy work The episode stays practical. Which systems can teams inspect? Which claims can outside experts verify? Which workflow preserves context and reduces tool switching? Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. New episodes every week.

  • August 4 · 1 hr 2 min

    Ep 17: AI Made Engineers Faster. Leadership Fell Behind

    AI made engineers faster. It did not make companies better at deciding what to build. Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak sit down with Mike Lyons and Greg Pfister from KaiRise to discuss AI, Agile, leadership, and product management. Mike explains how a $4.3 million voter registration system shipped on time, on budget, and on scope, then failed with users. Greg explains why making engineering faster can expose delays across the rest of the company. They discuss: - Why long-term plans and annual budgets struggle when teams ship faster - Why Agile principles still matter even if Scrum roles and fixed ceremonies do not - How live prototypes change product discovery - Whether story points still mean anything when agents write code - Why customer outcomes matter more than points, lines of code, or token usage - Why teams need to know when to stop building - What AI cannot fix about trust, communication, and leadership - Why product skills become more valuable as software gets cheaper to produce Guests: Mike Lyons and Greg Pfister from KaiRise. Hosts: Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. Their latest course, the ICAgile-certified Product Management program, is getting strong reviews from practitioners in the field. Listeners can use code 'human' for 20% off any KaiRise course at kairise.com. GET 20% off on all the courses with the code: human Check KaiRise: https://www.kairise.com

  • S1 · E16
    July 28 · 1 hr 55 min

    Ep 16: They Want to Ban Kimi K3

    Kimi K3 got hot enough to trigger a U.S. ban debate. If Washington restricts a model you can download and run yourself, is that national security, closed-model protection, or both? Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak cut through the week’s real AI stories. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Kimi K3 demand and the U.S. restriction debate - OpenAI’s agent breach at Hugging Face during a security evaluation - Anthropic’s Claude Opus 5 release and immediate GitHub Copilot rollout - Meta AI moving from answers to email, calendar, research, and configured actions - The 50-company open-weights letter, and why OpenAI is Matt’s outlier SHIP IT OR SKIP IT 1. An agent containment lab for autonomous tools 2. An independent referee for long-running code agents Oscar: a downloadable model becomes a policy problem the moment it threatens a closed API. Matt: forty-nine signatures can be explained with a spreadsheet. OpenAI is the only one that might cost its signer something. Sources: - https://www.axios.com/2026/07/20/ai-us-china-open-source-kimi - https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/openai-says-ai-models-went-rogue-during-testing-triggering-unprecedented-breach-at-startup-4804634 - https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-5 New episodes every week.

  • S1 · E15
    July 21 · 1 hr 8 min

    Ep 15: Your CEO Says “We Need AI.” Now What?

    Your CEO says, “We need AI.” What do you do next? In our first Dear Human in the Loop episode, Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak answer four practical questions from founders, developers, and engineering leaders: 1. Where should a company start with AI? 2. Should an AI engineer be a startup's first technical hire? 3. Should leaders push developers who do not trust AI? 4. Which skills will still matter five years from now? The advice is direct. Map your processes. Pick one measurable problem. Test AI on a copy of your work. Hire for the business problem. Build trust through useful examples. Keep learning the fundamentals that let you judge AI output instead of accepting it. Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak. Send us your question for a future Dear Human in the Loop episode.

  • S1 · E14
    July 14 · 1 hr 32 min

    Ep 14: Apple v. OpenAI and Meta's New AI Model

    Apple has sued OpenAI over alleged trade-secret theft tied to OpenAI's hardware work. OpenAI says it has no interest in other companies' secrets. We debate what the case means for hiring, product plans, and AI hardware. Signal or Noise: - Apple v. OpenAI - Meta Muse Spark 1.1 and the Meta Model API - GPT-5.6 across ChatGPT, Codex, and the API - Grok 4.5 for coding and agentic work - Anthropic and OpenAI using quota resets during a fight for power users No Jargon Required: 1. Multi-agent orchestration 2. Model routing We explain each term in plain English, then make a call: invest now, wait, build, buy, or ignore. Sources: Apple lawsuit: https://apnews.com/article/apple-openai-lawsuit-trade-secrets-theft-6fff8833f5889d86406b89a02dd8fb16 Muse Spark 1.1: https://ai.meta.com/blog/introducing-muse-spark-meta-model-api/ GPT-5.6: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-6/ Grok 4.5: https://x.ai/news/grok-4-5 Fable 5 extension: https://www.androidauthority.com/claude-fable-5-free-extension-3685103/ Usage reset report: https://www.itmedia.co.jp/aiplus/article/2607/10/2000000179/ Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak.

  • S1 · E1
    July 7 · 1 hr 12 min

    Ep 13: Meta Compute and the Next AI Startup Bets

    Meta may become a cloud company by accident. After spending huge sums on AI infrastructure, it is reportedly building a business to sell excess AI compute. Smart way to fund the AI race, or proof that nobody knows how to price the bill? This week on Signal or Noise: - Meta building a cloud business for excess AI compute - OpenAI reportedly proposing to give 5% equity to a U.S. sovereign wealth fund - Claude Sonnet 5 shipping with cheaper agentic execution, which we call noise until it changes builder behavior - Together AI raising $800M for open-source AI infrastructure - Claude Science launching as a research workbench Then on Ship It or Skip It: 1. Meta Compute broker for AI teams 2. Back-office agent for small law and accounting firms Oscar's closing take: the model race is becoming an infrastructure race again. Matt's closing take: most AI workbench products are selling relief from tool chaos. Sources: Meta compute: https://wmbdradio.com/2026/07/01/meta-to-sell-excess-ai-computing-capacity-via-cloud-business-bloomberg-news-reports/ Claude Sonnet 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-5 Together AI: https://www.together.ai/blog/announcing-our-series-c Claude Science: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-science-ai-workbench OpenAI sovereign wealth fund proposal: https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/02/openai-proposed-donating-5-of-its-equity-to-a-us-sovereign-wealth-fund/ Hosted by Oscar Gallo and Matt Wozniak.

  • S1 · E12
    June 30 · 1 hr 45 min

    Ep 12: The Frontier Just Got a Guest List

    OpenAI shipped its most powerful model to twenty companies the government picked. A week after the US switched off Anthropic's best model, the frontier has a guest list, and you are not on it. This is Human In the Loop, a weekly podcast where two builders cut through the AI hype cycle. No hype. No doomerism. No filler. SIGNAL OR NOISE - GPT-5.6 ships to about twenty government-approved orgs, the first launch under the June 2 executive order - Anthropic accuses Alibaba's Qwen of the largest distillation attack on record: 25,000 fake accounts, 28.8 million Claude queries - OpenAI and Broadcom unveil Jalapeño, OpenAI's first inference chip, built in nine months - Agentjacking: the prompt-injection hole that hijacks Claude Code, Cursor, and Codex - ChatGPT slips below 50% as Gemini and Claude surge, and the one number in it that matters NO JARGON REQUIRED The two AI words you heard this week and could not define. Plain English, then a call. - Distillation: why the cheap model is suspiciously good - Prompt injection: why a human stays in the loop HOT TAKES Oscar: The frontier is being quietly nationalized. Build on the model you can keep. Matt: The frontier has no moat. Stop betting on a six-week lead anyone can clone. Hosts: Oscar Gallo (AI Engineer and Entrepreneur) and Matt Wozniak (Builder and Operator). New episodes every week. Every fifth episode is a guest deep-dive.

  • S1 · E11
    June 23 · 1 hr 44 min

    Ep 11: The World Cup Is Secretly Run by AI

    Last week the US government gave Anthropic's best model a 72-hour public life, then switched it off for every foreign national on earth. This week, three Chinese labs shipped models that beat almost everything in the open, handed over the weights, and charged a tenth of the price. We figure out which of those two plays ends with the whole world building on your stack. Welcome to Human In the Loop, a weekly podcast where two builders cut through the AI hype cycle. No breathless hype. No doomerism. No surface-level recaps. This week: SIGNAL OR NOISE • FIFA is running the 2026 World Cup on AI. An Intelligent Command Center in Miami, Football AI Pro built with Lenovo on FIFA's own Football Language Model and handed to all 48 teams, 1,248 player avatars from one-second scans, and Gemini drawing up tactics for Argentina, Brazil, and France. The biggest live multi-model AI deployment on earth. • China's open-weight wave. Z.ai's GLM-5.2 and Moonshot's Kimi K2.7 Code land with open weights and million-token windows, and Chinese labs now hold four of the top five open-weight spots at a fraction of Western pricing. • Anthropic's Fable 5 and Mythos 5 are still dark a week after the US export ban, with no end date and a public defense from Anthropic. • Noam Shazeer, co-author of the transformer paper, leaves Google for OpenAI two years after a reported $2.7B deal brought him back. SHIP IT OR SKIP IT Two real ideas, steelman versus pushback, no fence-sitting. • An AI governance layer that keeps employee agents in their lane • Vertical AI harnesses for one trade, like marketing or video Closing hot takes: → Oscar: The most important AI lab of 2026 might not be American, and most US builders are too proud to notice. → Matt: A free model is only free if you own the GPUs, the ops team, and the eval harness to babysit it. Your hosts: • Oscar Gallo, AI Engineer and Entrepreneur. Builds AI products, ships code, runs companies. • Matt Wozniak, Builder, operator, relentless executor. Builds, ships, scales. Sources and full show notes are in the episode folder. Subscribe for a new episode every week. Comment with the AI term you keep hearing in meetings that nobody can actually define, and we will take it on next week. #AI #WorldCup #FIFA #China #OpenWeights #Kimi #Anthropic #OpenAI #VerticalAI #AIAgents #AIGovernance #HumanInTheLoop

  • S1 · E5
    June 16 · 1 hr 5 min

    Ep 10: Anthropic's Best Model Banned in 72 Hours

    Anthropic shipped the most powerful public AI ever on June 9. Three days later the US government made them pull it from every foreign national on earth, including their own engineers. This is Human In the Loop, a weekly podcast where two builders cut through the AI hype cycle. No hype. No doomerism. No filler. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Anthropic releases Fable 5 and Mythos 5 at half the old frontier price, five days after calling for a global AI pause - The Trump administration puts both models under export controls after a Mythos jailbreak, and Anthropic disables access worldwide to comply - OpenAI files confidentially for its IPO at a reported $730 to $850 billion, a week after Anthropic filed at $965 billion - OpenAI lands inside Oracle Universal Credits, killing the enterprise procurement blocker STACK CHECK: AI AGENTS IN PRODUCTION The three layers to run an agent unattended. - Claude Agent SDK, the agent loop you do not have to write - LangGraph plus LangSmith, orchestration you can audit - Temporal, durable execution so a crash is not a restart HOT TAKES Oscar: The Mythos ban is the best thing that ever happened to open weights. A closed model is one the government can switch off on a Friday. Matt: Everyone watched the model and missed the money. OpenAI spent the week removing every reason a CFO can say no. Hosts: Oscar Gallo (AI Engineer and Entrepreneur) and Matt Wozniak (Builder and Operator). New episodes every week. Every fifth episode is a guest deep-dive.

  • S1 · E9
    June 9 · 1 hr 39 min

    Ep 9: The Token bill has arrived

    The White House just signed an order that lets the government test the strongest AI models up to 30 days before you can. The labs said yes. Safety, or a backdoor? We make the call. Human In the Loop is a weekly podcast where two builders cut through the AI hype cycle. No hype, no doomerism, no recaps. SIGNAL OR NOISE - Trump's frontier-model order, a 30-day government early-access window with the NSA deciding what qualifies - GitHub Copilot flips to token billing, devs report 10x to 50x jumps - Microsoft and Google crash the AI coding party with cheaper models - ChatGPT crosses 1 billion users, and why Claude's 640% growth is the real story - Anthropic calls for a global pause on frontier AI NO JARGON REQUIRED The three words on every AI invoice, explained for anyone who signs off on the bill. 1. Tokens, and why your bill went usage-based 2. Inference vs training, and what "inference-efficient" buys you 3. Evals and benchmarks, and why the leaderboard lies HOT TAKES Oscar: The executive order is a distribution deal. Every frontier release now has a 30-day government waiting room. Matt: The Copilot billing meltdown is the best thing to happen to engineering leaders this year. The meter was always running. Key links: - White House AI order: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2026/06/promoting-advanced-artificial-intelligence-innovation-and-security/ - Copilot usage billing: https://github.blog/news-insights/company-news/github-copilot-is-moving-to-usage-based-billing/ - The token bill comes due: https://techcrunch.com/2026/06/05/the-token-bill-comes-due-inside-the-industry-scramble-to-manage-ais-runaway-costs/ Hosts: Oscar Gallo (AI Engineer & Entrepreneur) and Matt Wozniak (Builder, Operator). New episodes every week.

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