
Teaching Matters | Deep-fried, Student Council, Death Spiral
This week's episode of Teaching Matters, the weekly panel show from Education Matters, brings together host Paul Hazzard and John Gibbs for three stories that circle back again and again to a single question, what is school actually for. They start with student voice, prompted by an article of Christopher Byrne’s, a primary teacher at Malvern College in Egypt, who set out to learn how his pupils experience teacher feedback rather than simply telling them what they should think of it. Paul and John trade decades of school council memories, from tuck shop negotiations to uniform referendums, and land on a shared wariness of consultation that never changes anything. As John puts it, "any time you hear the words consultation exercise, beware that it is purely a paper exercise." What made Byrne's project different, they agree, is that the staff ended up learning something themselves. The conversation widens out to David Runciman's proposal to lower the voting age to six, and to the strange comfort of being in loco parentis, the idea that schools stand in for parents and therefore have to draw a line somewhere, however uncomfortable that line is to defend, and however much it clashes with the language of student autonomy schools like to use. From there they turn to a think tank's warning that language learning in England is in what one headline called a death spiral, with GCSE uptake falling unevenly across the country. John is candid about failing his own attempt to learn Spanish before a trip to Barcelona, and the two of them dig into why English speakers find languages so hard to commit to. "We speak the language of the world," John says, and that, more than the difficulty of grammar or exam pressure, might explain why so few students choose to bother. Paul pushes back gently, arguing that language learning is really about self-esteem, respect and connection with other people rather than exam results, and the pair swap stories about idiom, translation and a memorable tale of Cold War interpreters wrestling with Russian proverbs. A useful listen for anyone involved in modern languages or curriculum reform. Their last story is the deep-fried food ban due to land in English school dinners, alongside new rules on fibre, whole grains and breakfast club nutrition. Both agree it will not solve an obesity crisis on its own. "Governments can do things," John argues, "and schools are used to appear to do something about something you'd rather not do the thing you really should do, which is regulate the food industry." Paul wonders aloud whether schools are being handed the soft option while advertising and the food industry escape scrutiny altogether, and the pair debate whether the better long-term investment is not canteen policy at all but teaching children to understand food and make their own choices. They close, as always, with their bananas. Paul's is thigmomorphogenesis, the botanical term for how plants grow stronger in response to touch, wind or disturbance, which he offers as a quiet metaphor for how teachers and pupils grow through resistance rather than in spite of it. John's is Lucretius's On the Nature of Things, a first century BCE poem that somehow anticipated atomic theory, natural selection and even a version of quantum uncertainty, and survived the centuries by the narrowest of margins. It's a rich, wide-ranging hour that moves from school councils to Cold War translators to Roman philosophy without ever losing its thread. Whether you're a classroom teacher, a teacher educator or simply someone who cares about what schools are really teaching children beyond the timetable, this one is worth your time. Follow Teaching Matters to catch every new episode, and leave a comment, Paul and John read every one and reply to them all.















