
Killing the ivory tower: how Jumbo rebuilt architecture around teams and not titles!
this episode is offered to you by IcePanel: https://icepanel.io/lucaOnur is a staff engineer at Jumbo, the second largest supermarket chain in the Netherlands, where he has spent the last decade helping the company tear down two legacy monoliths, grow to 350-plus engineers, and rebuild its architecture around stream-aligned teams instead of a single gatekeeping architect.In this episode we go deep on how Jumbo used event storming and the core domain chart to expose Conway's Law in their own systems, why they chose a bottom-up transformation over a top-down mandate, and how they handle the friction that shows up when parts of the business, like their SAP teams, don't fit the new model cleanly. We also spend real time on how Onur's team is using agentic engineering in practice, including a pipeline of analyst, rubber duck, architect, and implementer agents built on internal skills, and why Onur still tells the business to hold its horses on AI more often than you'd expect.If you're an architect or engineer trying to figure out what your role looks like when the ivory tower comes down, this one gives you the trenches version, not the conference talk version.Chapters0:00 Welcome, and why Onur says the ivory tower is dead1:59 From two monoliths to 350 engineers4:44 Event storming exposes Conway's Law: five promotion microservices, zero communication5:56 The core domain chart, simplified for a real team8:05 Case study: cutting one team's microservices from 20 to 1010:10 Documentation that survives contact with reality: C4 and IcePanel13:52 Which C4 levels are actually worth maintaining16:17 Introducing team topologies into an existing landscape18:41 Why they chose bottom-up transformation over top-down23:39 The friction nobody talks about: SAP teams and finding the sweet spot29:56 The ivory tower is obsolete: what replaces the architect32:47 Handling cross-cutting concerns across domains37:47 Cutting through the AI noise39:38 Inside Jumbo's agentic engineering workshop44:44 How junior and senior engineers reacted differently to AI agents50:59 Merging deterministic tools with AI agents as fitness functions53:31 "Hold your horses": when the answer to AI is no54:57 Rolling out AI in layers: customer-facing, internal, developer experience57:48 Onur's closing advice: pick your battles, then fix your hiring1:01:21 Wrap up#SoftwareArchitecture #TeamTopologies #DomainDrivenDesign #AgenticEngineering #DearArchitects===================================Follow me for more tips!My gear: https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/my50cents?ref_=cm_sw_r_cp_ud_aipsfshop_W744H9NEJG7C9T3JMFC2Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0W5YEY5T3ApuYS8H9I3DzL?si=c279c2df086b4d8fTwitter: https://twitter.com/lucamezzaliraLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucamezzaliraInstagram: https://instagram.com/mezzalabEdited in DaVinci Resolve: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve