Conversations with Jackie and Bobby

Jackie & Bobby Angel

Jackie and Bobby Angel are authors, speakers, musicians, and evangelists for the Catholic faith. We are launching this channel to bring you into our conversations with people we think will provide you with insightful perspectives on human & spiritual formation.

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#68
Thursday · 44 min
68. Fr. Sean Davidson: John the Baptist, a Prophet of Fire
Bobby talks with priest and author Fr. Sean Davidson, who wrote a new work on understanding and praying with John the Baptist. They discuss John's witness of courage, his fidelity to truth under pressure, his commitment to Christ, and his focus on leading others to the Lamb of God. Check out Fr. Sean's new book Prophet of Fire: The Witness of St. John the Baptist: https://stpaulcenter.com/store/prophet-of-fire-the-witness-of-st-john-the-baptist Fr. Sean Davidson was born in London and spent much of his youth in Ireland. He gave his life to Christ in the year 2000 and soon began to feel called to the sacred priesthood. Since being ordained on June 26th 2011, the solemnity of Corpus Christi, he has worked in a variety of different apostolates, always centered upon fostering adoration and love for Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. He is pastor of the parish of St. Joseph's in Stockport, Greater Manchester, England. Fr. Sean Davidson is the author of Saint Mary Magdalen: Prophetess of Eucharistic Love. -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#32
September 10 · 55 min
67. Jessica Rey: Faith, Fashion, and a Fork in the Road
Jackie talks with friend and former actress Jessica Rey, known for her role in the television series “Power Rangers Wild Force" and her successful fashion brand (Rey Swimwear), and shares her latest endeavor: a travelogue show with her homeschooling family on EWTN called, "Fork in the Road." Check out Jessica's new show: https://www.ewtn.com/programs/10139-fork-in-the-road-world-kitchen Jessica Rey's swimwear: https://www.jessicarey.com/- This episode was sponsored by Select International Tours. They arrange group pilgrimages to sites worldwide and we've been blessed to be on some life-changing experiences with them! Reach out to Select International to find your next adventure! https://selectinternationaltours.com/jackieandbobby -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#66
August 24 · 27 min
66. Tanner Kalina, Part 2: "All Your Heart"
Bobby talks with friend Tanner Kalina in this second part of the conversation and they discuss the themes in his new book "All Your Heart" (https://a.co/d/07zJFvDp) published through Ascension ( @AscensionPresents ). - Tanner Kalina ( @tanner.kalina ) is a Catholic evangelist, author and well-known speaker who has dedicated his life to sharing the Gospel. A former actor, he now presents to tens of thousands of people each year, including youth, parish leaders, and clergy. He has written two books, and he is the Co-Founder of the Saints Alive Podcast on Hallow. He is the presenter of several Ascension Press faith formation video series, and he has contributed other video projects to EWTN, FOCUS, the National Eucharistic Revival, and more. https://www.tannerkalina.com/ He and his wife, Alli, reside in Loveland, Colorado. -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#65
August 5 · 35 min
65. Tanner Kalina, Part 1: From Hollwood to Seeking Holiness
Jackie talks with friend Tanner Kalina, who shares his testimony on coming back to Christ after pursuing a career in Hollywood, missionary life, and living abundantly as a disciple of Christ. -Tanner Kalina (@tanner.kalina ) is a Catholic evangelist, author and well-known speaker who has dedicated his life to sharing the Gospel. A former actor, he now presents to tens of thousands of people each year, including youth, parish leaders, and clergy. He has written two books, and he is the Co-Founder of the Saints Alive Podcast on Hallow. He is the presenter of several Ascension Press faith formation video series, and he has contributed other video projects to EWTN, FOCUS, the National Eucharistic Revival, and more. -He and his wife, Alli, reside in Loveland, Colorado.-- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#64
June 15 · 53 min
64. Nate Coulter: Vasectomy Reversal & Openness to Life
Jackie and Bobby talk with parish friend Nate Coulter, who shares his testimony on coming back to the Church, what led to his decision to get a vasectomy reversed, and the call he felt to be open to new life. - Shoutout to the @The_BeatiDudes for letting us record in their wonderful studio! -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#63
May 25 · 40 min
63. Peter Giersch: Talking of Michelangelo & Deeper Conversion
Bobby talks with Peter Giersch, a business leader and consultant, about Peter's book "Talking of Michelangelo," a travelogue and an enjoyable narrative of his own journey in prayer and deeper conversion. - Connect with Peter: https://www.gierschgroup.com/MilwaukeeAccountants/PeterGiersch"Talking of Michelangelo" with Sophia Institute Press: https://sophiainstitute.com/product/talking-of-michelangelo/Peter Giersch is the author of Talking of Michelangelo (Sophia Institute Press). Currently serving as founder and CEO of the Giersch Group, Peter has published several Catholic devotional books, including Day by Day with the Catechism, and has been active in Legatus and the Rotary Club. He is a former member of the board of the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra and collaborates musically with his talented children, streaming as Giersch At Last. Peter lives near Milwaukee with his wife of more than thirty years and with whichever of his five children might be living at home at the moment.-- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#62
March 17 · 56 min
62. Dr. Greg & Lisa Popcak: Becoming the 7% of Happy & Holy Marriages
Jackie and Bobby chat with authors and counselors Dr. Greg and Lisa Pocak about marriage, communication, and a range of relationship topics, including the fact that only 7% of marriages have a healthy and holy friendship. --- Dr. Greg and Lisa Popcak are the founders of CatholicCounselors.com, a group, Catholic pastoral tele-counseling practice that conducts over 30,000 sessions per year with Catholic individuals, couples and families around the world. Together, they are the authors of over 20 popular books on marriage, parenting, sexuality, spirituality, and mental health. The Popcaks host More2Life, a call-in advice program airing each weekday (M-F) at 10 am EST on the EWTN Radio Network and across North America on SiriusXM Satellite Radio Channel 130. They are also the founders of the CatholicHŌM (Households on Mission) App, which provides online marriage, parenting, and grandparent coaching, along with creative resources to help Catholics build strong, faithful marriages and families. -- Thank you to the BeatiDudes and Undivided Life for allowing us to use their recording space. -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/ ⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#61
February 25 · 24 min
61. Dr. Andrew Swafford: Understanding C.S. Lewis's "The Great Divorce"
Bobby reconnects with Dr. Andrew Swafford at the SEEK 2026 conference to discuss his latest book "Next Stop: the Afterlife," a reflection on C.S. Lewis' masterpiece The Great Divorce and lessons we can learn from that work. -- Andrew Swafford is a professor of theology at Benedictine College. He is the author of A Catholic Guide to the New Testament and coauthor with his wife, Sarah Swafford, of Gift and Grit: How Heroic Virtue Can Change Your Life and Relationships. Swafford holds a doctorate in sacred theology from the University of St. Mary of the Lake and a master’s degree in Old Testament and Semitic languages from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School. He has spoken at numerous conferences, including the National Catholic Youth Conference (NCYC), the National Eucharistic Congress, the Renew Toronto Young Adult Conference, and the Defending the Faith Conference in Steubenville, Ohio. He is the general editor and a contributor to Ascension’s Great Adventure Catholic Bible. An avid student of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, he lives in Atchison, Kansas, with Sarah and their children. Connect with Andy & Sarah: https://theswaffords.com/-- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#60
January 27 · 53 min
60. Sr. Miriam James Heidland: Friendship in the Lord
Jackie and Bobby reconnect with Sr. Miriam James Heidland at the SEEK 2026 conference and open up about the topic of friendship, the need for others, and what a friendship seeking the Lord looks like. -- Sr. Miriam James Heidland, SOLT, is a popular Catholic speaker, a cohost of the Abiding Together podcast, and the author of the bestselling book Loved as I Am, and contributes an afterword to the new republication of Friendship in the Lord by Fr. Paul Hinnesbusch, OP. A former Division I athlete who had a radical conversion and joined the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity in 1998, Heidland has shared her story on EWTN’s The Journey Home, at numerous SEEK and Steubenville conferences, and at the USCCB’s Convocation of Catholic Leaders. Heidland is also affiliated with the Friends of the Bridegroom community and the John Paul II Healing Center in leading healing retreats for priests and religious sisters across America. Heidland earned a master’s degree in theology from the Augustine Institute and speaks extensively on the topics of conversion, authentic love, forgiveness, and healing. -- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#59
Oct 7, 2025 · 27 min
59. Beth Carrell: From a Mess to a Mission of Mercy
Bobby talks with Beth Carrell, a wife, mother, and partner mentor with the CatholicPsych Institute. Beth shares about work of accompaniment, the twist and turns of her testimony, and how God has showed up through it all. Connect with Beth: https://catholicpsych.com/beth-carrellBeth Carrell is a Catholic convert of 18 years, wife of 26 years, and a mother to 12 children. After embracing Catholicism, she became a witness to God’s grace in her family—her husband, parents, and grandmother all followed her into the Church, a testament to the power of one person’s “yes” to God.Beth was a teen mom, experienced a colorful past, and was divorced for three years before reconciling with her husband and rebuilding their marriage. Through it all, she has come to know the depths of both suffering and redemption.Beth has spent years cultivating resilience and adaptability, drawing from a diverse background, but her deepest transformation came after the tragic loss of her son to suicide two years ago. In that grief, she discerned a new mission to become a mentor through the CatholicPsych Model of Applied Personalism, where she has been trained in an integration of psychology, spirituality and philosophy.Now, as a CatholicPsych Certified Mentor and Lay Dominican, Beth is dedicated to supporting the Church, blended families, individuals navigating loss, reconciliation, and the complexities of family life. She brings a rare combination of lived experience, professional insight, and a heart for service to her work. With a formation in hardship, she offers a powerful witness to God’s mercy, restoration, and unfailing love.-- Thank you for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#58
Sep 23, 2025 · 1 hr
58. Mary O'Regan: Padre Pio & You
Bobby talks with writer Mary O'Regan who authored a brilliant book, Padre Pio & You: An Epic Story of Spiritual Fatherhood (https://a.co/d/cVIzLo8). Mary recounts some amazing facts of Padre Pio's life, details about his family, and the journey of bringing her book about this amazing saint to publication. - Connect with Mary O'Regan via her blog: https://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.com/ Padre Pio & You: An Epic Story of Spiritual Fatherhood is available by Sophia Institute Press. -- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#57
Sep 3, 2025 · 24 min
57. Canonization Week! (+ the Frassati Field Guide)
This week, on Sept. 7th 2025, the Catholic Church is about to elevate two young Italian men to sainthood: Carlo Acutis and Pier Giorgio Frassati. We talk in this episode about their lives, the topic of vocation, and Bobby's new book "the Frassati Field Guide" (https://a.co/d/0060fLc) Ave Maria Press has a 2-for-1 deal on the Frassati Field Guide + Gaming & the Heroic Life. $16 for 2 books, use code SAINT16! https://www.avemariapress.com/collections/now-trending -- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#56
Aug 19, 2025 · 49 min
56. Suzanne Bilodeau: Lattes, Laundry, & Resting in Motherhood
Jackie talks with Suzanne Bilodeau, a wife and mother, author and podcaster, about her vocation story, her ministry and work, and her beautiful book She Loved: Resting in the Beauty of Motherhood. --- Suzanne Bilodeau is a wife to her high school sweetheart Paul, Suzanne is a homeschooling momma of 6 beautiful children. A former success-seeking actuary and a recovering perfectionist and overachiever, she encountered Christ in a new and restoring way in motherhood. Host of the popular podcast Latte & Laundry, Suzanne explores what it means to sit at the feet of Christ like Mary, while moving in this world with the gusto and strength of Martha. She is convicted that God is on mission to restore and revive the magnificent vocation of motherhood, and she delights in letting him use her in any tiny way he sees fit. Suzanne’s debut title with Ascension is She Loved: Resting in the Beauty of Motherhood. This beautiful coffee table book collects 15 authentic and vulnerable letters written by Catholic mothers to their younger selves, celebrating the peace and purpose to be found in motherhood. Contributors include Beth Sri, Lisa Brenninkmeyer, Elizabeth Foss, Bonnie Landry, Debbie Herbeck, and many more. She Loved: Resting in the Beauty of Motherhood -- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#55
Aug 5, 2025 · 54 min
55. Jack Beers: Endurance & Accompaniment
Bobby talks with Jack Beers, a friend and fellow mentor with the CatholicPsych Institute, about his journey to Catholicism, dealing with health obstacles and Crohn's disease, and the joy of walking with others through the ups-and-downs of their lives. Jack Beers is the founder and leader of The Catholic Mentor, a ministry dedicated to helping you rise to the occasion of your life. On top of over a decade in ministry as a speaker and leader, Jack is trained to accompany individuals through the storms of life through an integration of sound psychology and authentic Catholic anthropology. Jack lives in Northern Kentucky with his wife and three children. You can receive free weekly mentorship from the experts in the best way to live, the saints, by signing up for his newsletter: https://www.thecatholicmentor.com/newsletter You can also sign up for his five-week course on drawing meaning from suffering called RISE here: https://www.thecatholicmentor.com/meaning-- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#54
Jul 23, 2025 · 50 min
54. Stacy Trasancos: IVF is Not the Way
Jackie talks with Stacy Trasancos about her recent book IVF is Not the Way and explores the stance of the Catholic Church towards IVF, the rights of human embryos, the cross of infertility, and more. Stacy A. Trasancos is an adjunct professor of science and theology in the Catholic Studies program at Seton Hall University and in the undergraduate and graduate programs at Holy Apostles College and Seminary, where she is also the Undergraduate and Dual Enrollment Program Director. She is a fellow for Bishop Robert Barron’s Word on Fire Institute and author of Particles of Faith, Science Was Born of Christianity, Behold, It Is I, and 20 Answers: Bioethics. She earned a Ph.D. in chemistry from Penn State University and previously worked as a research chemist at DuPont. After becoming Catholic, she earned two M.A. degrees in dogmatic theology and systematic philosophy (both summa cum laude) from Holy Apostles College and Seminary. In 2024, she began a doctoral program in philosophy at St. Patrick’s Pontifical University in Maynooth, Ireland. She is the wife of José Trasancos and the mother of seven. IVF is Not the Way: https://a.co/d/0eQkjxc-- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#53
Jun 26, 2025 · 56 min
53. Michael Gasparro: Authenticity, Mental Health, and Music
Bobby talks with Michael Gasparro, a licensed therapist and musician about his faith journey, his work in the mental health field and sharing our creative gifts. As a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist #131154 and Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor #10913 in California, Michael Gasparro helps treat a wide variety of mental health issues with compassion and a Christ-centered worldview. He is passionate about the intersection of faith and psychology. He now serves regularly as a speaker/presenter regarding his personal experience and clinical expertise on matters related to human sexuality and psychology. Combining his original passion for music and his first career as a music instructor with his expertise in human development, he recently released his debut album of original Christian children's music, The Gift of Me: Theology of the Body Songs for Kids, which is available for purchase through his website www.michaelgasparro.com or you can check out his brand new YouTube channel which features lyric music videos of songs from the album: https://www.youtube.com/@MrMichaelSings -- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#54
Jun 12, 2025 · 1 hr 5 min
52. Monica and Renzo Ortega: Talking with your Spouse about Sex
Jackie talks with Renzo and Monica Ortega about their new book "Lovemaking: How to Talk about Sex with Your Spouse,” and share insights into relationships, sex, and love. Renzo and Monica Ortega are Catholic ministry leaders, podcast hosts, authors, and speakers. They host the popular marriage podcast, Two Become Family (also available on YouTube), and are co-authors of the marriage conversation starter, “Lovemaking: How to Talk about Sex with Your Spouse”. The Ortegas live in Connecticut with their 5 children where they facilitate youth ministry and marriage prep ministry. They have also written a children's devotional together called “Go to Joseph for Children”. Renzo is also the author of the men's devotional, “Go to Joseph”. Their online marriage ministry, Two Become Family, has been featured in the National Catholic Register and EWTN's "Life on the Rock" show, and their conversion story has been featured in the documentary St Joseph: Our Spiritual Father. Many of their talks can be found on Catholic Lighthouse Media. Renzo holds a MA in Theology from Holy Apostles College and Seminary.... Lovemaking: How to Talk about Sex with Your Spouse Ave Maria Press: https://www.avemariapress.com/products/lovemakingAmazon: https://a.co/d/cu5XjlK-- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#54
May 28, 2025 · 50 min
51. Laraine Bennett & Dr. Lianna Haidar: Anxiety & Freedom from Fear
Bobby talks with Laraine Bennett and her daughter Dr. Lianna Bennett Haidar about anxiety, what it is and what we do about it, highlighting their newest book Anxiety: A Catholic Guide from Freedom and Fear. Laraine Bennett has a master's degree in Philosophy and has co-authored 5 books with her husband, Art: The Temperament God Gave You, The Temperament God Gave Your Spouse, The Temperament God Gave Your Kids, The Emotions God Gave You, and Tuned In: The Power of Pressing Pause and Listening. She wrote a book of reflections for caregivers, A Year of Grace: 365 Reflections for Caregivers. The Bennetts reside in Northern Virginia and have 4 adult children and 8 grandchildren. Lianna Bennett Haidar, Psy.D., is a Licensed Clinical Psychologist located in the heart of Alexandria. As a therapist she works with clients to heal past traumas, reduce the experiences of depression and anxiety, and improve the quality of the relationships in their lives. ... Anxiety: A Catholic Guide from Freedom and Fear Sophia Institute Press book link Amazon book link-- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#50
May 6, 2025 · 47 min
50. Lenten Recap + Bobby's New Philosophy Book
Jackie & Bobby celebrate episode #50 of the podcast, recap their Lenten 2025 travels, and breakdown Bobby's newest book, The Postmodern Predicament with Sophia Institute Press, out now! ... The Postmodern Predicament: And a Roadmap for Recovery and Restoration, out now! Sophia Institute Press:https://sophiainstitute.com/product/the-postmodern-predicament/ Amazon: https://a.co/d/aefmVo4 -- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby
#49
Mar 4, 2025 · 56 min
49. Mary Lenaburg: Finding Hope in Hardship
In this episode, Jackie speaks with Mary Lenaburg, an author, speaker, mentor, and retreat leader. Mary shares her testimony and remarkable journey of hope and healing in marriage and motherhood. Connect with Mary and learn more about her ministry at https://marylenaburg.com/ ----2025 Pilgrimage to Croatia & Medjugorje, info here: https://selectinternationaltours.com/product/pilgrimage-to-medjugorje-with-kim-zember-jackie-francois-angel-and-fr-edwin-leonard/... Jackie NEW book, "Memorize Scripture: Simple Steps to Pray, Ponder, and Practice God's Word" with Ave Maria Press (available now!): Ave Maria: https://www.avemariapress.com/products/memorize-scripture?srsltid=AfmBOorE33WAgXrGfQdefAkBg2ewIZRXkIxGeVzmsO5A0GDvBPbuTXxQAmazon: https://a.co/d/1k6f6em-- Thanks for listening! For more info on our talks, books, and resources, please visit our website at: ⁠⁠⁠https://jackieandbobby.com/⁠ ⁠⁠ If you feel called to support us financially in this ministry endeavor, please prayerfully consider visiting our support page: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/jackieandbobby

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