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All Things Internal Audit brings you real conversations, practical insights, and expert perspectives from across the profession. Produced by The Institute of Internal Auditors, each episode explores the challenges, innovations, and ideas shaping internal audit today. Views expressed by guests are their own and do not necessarily reflect those of The IIA. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Visit www.theiia.org for more information.

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S4 · E101
Tuesday · 25 min
Quantum Computing Risk: What Internal Auditors Need to Know
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Richard Penfil talks with Cory Missimore about how quantum computing could threaten current encryption, why "harvest now, decrypt later" attacks require organizations to prepare today, and how internal auditors can assess quantum readiness. They also discuss cryptographic inventories, third-party exposure, crypto agility, regulatory developments, and practical steps organizations can take to prepare without overreacting. HOST: Richard Penfil, Founder, AssureSwarm GUEST: Cory Missimore, CISSP, CDPSE, CISM, CIPP Senior Information Security Compliance Analyst, American Institutes for Research KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:47] Quantum Computers vs. Traditional Computers [00:47–01:44] Why Organizations Should Prepare Now [01:45–03:18] Cryptographic Inventories and Accountability [03:19–05:27] "Harvest Now, Decrypt Later" Attacks [05:28–07:42] The Emerging Regulatory Landscape [07:43–09:33] Three Questions for Assessing Quantum Readiness [09:34–13:11] Third-Party and Vendor Exposure [13:12–15:01] Integrating Quantum Risk Into Existing Audits [15:02–17:49] Warning Signs and Regulatory Developments [17:50–20:27] How Quantum Computing and AI Could Develop Together [20:28–22:13] Practical Steps Organizations Can Take Today [22:14–24:42] Final Thoughts [24:43–25:36] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Internal Audit Standards Cybersecurity Topical Requirement Cybersecurity Part 3: Cybersecurity Third-Party Risk Management All Things Internal Audit Tech: Quantum Computing All Things Internal Audit Tech: Quantum Is Coming for Your Encryption. Now What? The Big Idea: Quantum Computing Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S4 · E100
September 15 · 25 min
How Two Students Taught 52 Auditors to Build AI Agents
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Alex Rusate talks with Ivan Diaz and Mohamed Maiga, two Utah Valley University students whose curiosity led them to build practical AI tools. They explain how AI agents go beyond chatbots to automate repetitive audit work, why understanding the intended output is essential for validating AI-generated results, and how organizations can begin adopting AI without sacrificing security or human judgment. HOST: Alex Rusate, CIA, CISA, CPA, AAIA, CERP, CRMA, CCSA Senior Vice President and Director of Internal Audit, Arrow Financial GUESTS: Ivan Diaz Accounting Student, Utah Valley University Mohamed Maiga Cybersecurity Graduate, Utah Valley University KEY POINTS: Introduction: Students Teaching Auditors About AI Agents [00:00:00–00:00:35] Ivan's Introduction to the Internal Audit Conference [00:00:36–00:01:33] Finding an Audit Process to Automate [00:01:34–00:02:44] Building an AI Agent Without Technical Experience [00:02:45–00:04:13] Improving Results Through Iteration and Multiple AI Tools [00:04:14–00:05:47] The Difference Between Chatbots and AI Agents [00:05:48–00:07:05] Troubleshooting an Agent and Selecting the Right Model [00:07:06–00:08:20] Validating AI-Generated Audit Work [00:08:21–00:10:24] Designing Effective Instructions and Identifying Red Flags [00:10:25–00:11:43] Protecting Confidential Information When Using AI [00:11:44–00:13:12] Using Feedback to Strengthen an AI Agent [00:13:13–00:14:54] Mohamed's Introduction to AI Agents [00:14:55–00:16:38] Using an AI Agent to Navigate Purchasing Policies [00:16:39–00:18:26] Automating Repetitive Work While Preserving Human Judgment [00:18:27–00:19:16] Building an AI Agent for Cybersecurity Exam Preparation [00:19:17–00:20:43] Reducing Hallucination Risk Through Sources and Validation [00:20:44–00:22:26] Advice for Internal Audit Leaders Adopting AI [00:22:27–00:24:24] Starting Small and Applying AI with Purpose [00:24:25–00:25:17] Closing [00:25:18–00:25:29] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: The NextGen Audit Mentor — Internal Auditor magazine (August Issue) IIA Membership Global Internal Audit Standards Artificial Intelligence Auditing Framework Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E99
September 8 · 34 min
Insider Threat Management: Connecting the Dots Before an Incident
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Sanjay Vadlamani talks with Yvette Adams about how insider threats extend beyond malicious employees. They discuss negligent, malicious, and compromised insiders, along with the ways AI, remote work, cloud applications, and expanding access have increased organizational risk. The conversation also covers behavior monitoring, employee privacy, access management, offboarding, multidisciplinary risk teams, and the importance of connecting information across organizational silos before a threat becomes an incident. HOST: Sanjay Vadlamani, CIA, CISA, CRISC Senior Manager, Internal Audit, PayJoy GUEST: Yvette Adams, CIA, CRMA Director of Enterprise Risk Management, Zions Bancorporation KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:00:38] The Three Types of Insider Threats [00:00:39–00:03:19] How AI, Remote Work, and Cloud Applications Increase Risk [00:03:20–00:06:52] IIA Membership [00:06:53–00:07:38] Balancing Employee Monitoring, Privacy, and Trust [00:07:39–00:11:13] Indicators of Insider Risk [00:11:14–00:15:16] The FinWise Bank Incident and Offboarding Risk [00:15:17–00:18:48] Connecting Information Across Organizational Silos [00:18:49–00:22:47] Five Elements of a Mature Insider Risk Program [00:22:48–00:26:40] Lessons From the Tesla Insider Threat Case [00:26:41–00:28:56] Understanding the Insider Threat Life Cycle [00:28:57–00:30:07] Employee Self-Reporting and Where Organizations Should Start [00:30:08–00:33:40] Closing [00:33:41–00:33:51] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Practice Guide: Auditing Insider Threat Programs Insider Threat Leading Practices Insider Threat Assessment Using NIST Cybersecurity Framework All Things Internal Audit Tech: Identity & Access Management Understanding Insider Threats IIA Membership Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E98
September 1 · 26 min
Beyond the Textbook: What Students See in Internal Audit
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, we hand the mic to seven students from across the US and Canada who are on their way into the internal audit profession, and ask them how they got here, what surprised them, we what they're still figuring out. They talk about what classrooms teach well, what only experience can provide, and why the work carries more weight than they expected. HOST: Catie Brown Associate Manager & Producer, Content Development, The IIA GUESTS: Priya Bhatt— Texas A&M University Graduate Omar Ontiveros — Cal State Long Beach Graduate Olivia Gallagher — Accounting Student, Winthrop University Ryan Lam — Accounting Student, Southern Alberta Institute of Technology Moises Gutierrez — Accounting Student, Valdosta State University Dhvani Shah — Accounting Student, DePaul University Saurabh Kshatri — Master's Graduate, DePaul University KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–01:16] How Students Discovered Internal Audit [01:17–04:22] When the Profession Became Real [04:23–07:58] Bringing Creativity and Curiosity to Internal Audit [07:59–11:19] Bridging the Gap Between the Classroom and Practice [11:20–14:58] Ethics and the Human Impact of Audit Findings [14:59–16:56] Building Confidence, Credibility, and Relationships [16:57–19:02] What Students Want to See Through Job Shadowing [19:03–22:09] The Importance of Mentorship [22:10–23:34] Advice for Students Entering the Profession [23:35–25:04] Advice for Today's Internal Auditors [25:05–25:39] Final Thoughts [25:40–26:48] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Discover Internal Audit What is Internal Audit? IIA Student Membership Internal Audit Foundation Internal Audit Academic Alliance Local Chapters and Institutes Career Center Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E97
August 25 · 29 min
Human Capital Risk in an AI-Driven Workplace
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this companion episode to Internal Auditor magazine's "Human Capital Risk in an AI World" article, Tom Diamante talks with Manuel London and Richard Chan about how AI can help organizations identify behavioral, cultural, operational, and decision-making risks earlier, while also creating concerns around bias, surveillance, employee trust, and misuse. The conversation also explores internal audit's role in auditing AI, supporting responsible implementation, and helping organizations balance risk mitigation with innovation. HOST: Tom Diamante, Ph.D. President and Organizational Psychologist, Diamante Metrics LLC GUESTS: Manuel London, Ph.D. Professor of Management, Stony Brook University Richard Chan, Ph.D. Professor, Stony Brook University KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00-00:00:42] Defining Human Capital Risk and AI's Role [00:00:43-00:04:13] Bias, Mistrust, and Employee Adoption [00:04:14-00:07:26] AI Monitoring and Surveillance Concerns [00:07:27-00:10:27] Internal Audit's Role in AI Governance [00:10:28-00:14:10] Responsible Deployment, Transparency, and Trust [00:14:11-00:17:32] AI as a Tool for Positive Risk and Innovation [00:17:33-00:19:24] Balancing Innovation With AI Guardrails [00:19:25-00:22:23] AI's Value to Boards and Governance [00:22:24-00:25:56] Building a Healthy AI Risk Culture [00:25:57-00:27:08] Human Capital Risk, HR, and Internal Audit [00:27:09-00:29:15] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Human Capital Risk in an AI World — Internal Auditor magazine (August Issue) Global Internal Audit Standards Update: Human Capital at Risk Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E96
August 18 · 26 min
ERM as a Secret Weapon: How Internal Audit Can Own the Risk Conversation
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Charles King sits down with Shane Negangard to look at enterprise risk management not as a compliance exercise, but as one of the most powerful tools an internal audit leader can have -- if it's built and run the right way. They break down how to establish an ERM program from the ground up, secure executive buy-in, and use ERM as a flywheel for deeper relationships across the organization. HOST: Charles King, CIA, CCSA AI and Internal Audit Leader, KPMG GUEST: Shane Negangard, CIA, CRMA Head of Internal Audit, Workiva KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:00-00:01:25] Technology, AI, and Evolving Internal Audit [00:01:26-00:03:46] Why ERM Is a "Secret Weapon" [00:03:47-00:05:46] Building Executive Buy-In for ERM [00:05:47-00:07:05] Making ERM More Than a Compliance Exercise [00:07:06-00:10:08] Risk Ownership, Trust, and Accountability [00:10:09-00:13:29] Turning Risk Discussions Into Action [00:13:30-00:15:47] Using AI to Strengthen ERM [00:15:48-00:18:03] Scenario Planning and ERM Maturity [00:18:04-00:19:25] Using ERM to Develop Internal Audit Teams [00:19:26-00:21:10] Expanding Risk Ownership Across the Organization [00:21:11-00:23:12] Internal Audit's Role as an ERM Facilitator [00:23:13-00:25:45] Final Thoughts [00:25:46-00:25:56] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Statements of Position Risk in Focus Global Best Practices: Transforming Audit Through AI Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E95
August 11 · 32 min
Building an AI Audit Mentor: Lessons from the Front Lines of Agentic AI
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this companion episode to Internal Auditor magazine's "The NextGen Audit Mentor," Marko Horvat sits down with Sarah Kuhn to explore how she built an AI-powered "audit mentor" to support auditor onboarding, training, and professional development. Kuhn shares how a simple idea to scale knowledge sharing evolved into an agentic AI tool that helps auditors learn, ask better questions, and navigate their careers. The conversation covers practical lessons for implementing AI, managing guardrails, fostering adoption, and ensuring AI enhances rather than replaces auditor judgment. HOST: Marko Horvat, CPA, Chief Financial Officer ,ELB Learning GUEST: Sarah Kuhn, CIA, CRMA, CCSA Principal Audit Consultant KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00–00:01:30] Understanding Agentic AI and Identifying the Problem [00:01:31–00:04:27] Building and Testing the Audit Mentor [00:04:28–00:08:50] IIA Membership [00:08:51–00:09:27] Driving Adoption and Building Trust [00:09:28–00:13:02] Why the Tool Is a Mentor, Not an Answer Bot [00:13:03–00:17:14] Career Development, Coaching, and Quality Review [00:17:15–00:21:47] Preserving Auditor Judgment and Preventing Overreliance [00:21:48–00:25:42] Lessons Learned: Keeping AI Agents Focused [00:25:43–00:28:47] The Future of Agentic AI in Internal Audit [00:28:48–00:31:17] Final Thoughts [00:31:18–00:32:20] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: The NextGen Audit Mentor — Internal Auditor magazine (August Issue) IIA Membership Global Internal Audit Standards New Internal Auditing Competency Framework Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E94
August 4 · 7 min
Prescription for Fraud: The $6 Million Kickback Scheme Hidden in a Job Title
All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast "Prescription for Fraud" Listen to The IIA's Fraud Podcast, brought to you by All Things Internal Audit. The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine's Fraud department. In this episode, a struggling pharmacy gets an offer that sounds like a lifeline. But behind the paperwork sits a fake employee, a one-letter code, and a scheme that billed federal insurance programs nearly $11 million. Who finally pulled the thread? Access the full article here. Read the August issue here. Interested in more fraud-related topics? Earn CPEs by registering for The IIA's Fraud Analytics for Internal Auditors Certificate, available online and in-person. Chapters: Introduction [00:00-00:00:18] Part 1: The Pitch [00:00:19-00:02:03] Part 2: The Employee Who Wasn't [00:02:04-00:04:17] Part 3: The Lawsuit That Pulled the Thread [00:04:18-00:06:08] Fraud Red Flags and Lessons Learned [00:06:09-00:06:46] Closing and Fraud Resources [00:06:47-00:07:18] Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple PodcastsSpotify Youtube LibsynDeezer
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S3 · E93
July 29 · 27 min
From Pilot to Practice: How Internal Audit Functions Are Scaling GenAI
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, we're moving past the hype and getting into how internal audit functions are using GenAI now -- not in theory, not in three years, but today. Doris Myles sits down with Neil White to talk through where the biggest efficiency gains are happening, how to pick the right use cases when everything feels urgent, and why most functions aren't failing at GenAI: They're just stuck. White shares the framework he uses to prioritize AI investments, why building a prompt library is the most underrated action any function can take immediately, and what he believes internal audit will look like in 10 years. HOST: Doris Myles, CIA, CPADirector of Internal Audit, St. Jude Children's Research Hospital GUEST: Neil White Audit and Assurance Principal, Deloitte & Touche LLP KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:00-00:00:43] Where GenAI Creates the Biggest Lift [00:00:43-00:02:34] From Automation to Agentic Reporting [00:02:34-00:04:31] Current Adoption and Internal Audit's Dual Role [00:04:31-00:06:51] Prioritizing Use Cases and Building a Prompt Library [00:06:51-00:10:58] Why GenAI Initiatives Stall [00:10:58-00:14:21] Gaining Enterprise and Leadership Alignment [00:14:21-00:16:38] Building Trust and Preserving Professional Skepticism [00:16:38-00:18:46] Explainability, Traceability, and Reliable Outputs [00:18:46-00:20:54] Balancing Speed, Human Review, and Model Validation [00:20:54-00:23:45] Scaling GenAI Across the Audit Function [00:23:45-00:25:41] First Steps for Internal Audit Leaders [00:25:41-00:27:35] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Cybersecurity Topical Requirement Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence All Things Internal Audit Tech: Leadership Lessons from Scaling AI-Driven Companies Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E92
July 22 · 34 min
A Practical AI Upskilling Model for Auditors
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this companion episode to the Global Best Practices' Internal Audit Upskilling for Critical AI Capabilities, Bryant Richards talks with Nancy Hom about how internal audit teams can build AI skills with intention, confidence, and discipline. Hom shares how her department has moved from broad AI awareness to practical, immersive learning that helps auditors both use AI in their work and audit it effectively. The conversation covers mindset, skill set, and tool set, along with real-world use cases, adoption challenges, human oversight, and why AI fluency may become a key differentiator for the future auditor HOST: Bryant Richards, CIA, CRMA, CMA, PhD Partner, Ucran & Company, LLC Associate Professor, Nichols College GUEST: Nancy Hom, CISA Vice President, Data, Analytics and AI, MetLife Global Audit KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00-00:00:42] From AI Awareness to Immersive Learning [00:00:43-00:02:29] Mindset, Skill Set, and Tool Set [00:02:30-00:04:43] Building and Measuring an AI Learning Program [00:04:44-00:07:41] Defining Appropriate Tasks and Maintaining Human Oversight [00:07:42-00:09:38] Choosing AI Tools and Scaling the Audit Workflow [00:09:39-00:13:15] Communication, Delegation, and Validation [00:13:16-00:16:20] Using an AI Chatbot to Improve Issue Writing [00:16:21-00:19:26] Keeping Pace With Changing Tools and Learning Needs [00:19:27-00:22:20] Driving AI Adoption Across the Department [00:22:21-00:24:34] Maintaining Skepticism, Judgment, and Accountability [00:24:35-00:28:23] Expanding Internal Audit's Advisory Role [00:28:24-00:31:33] Hiring and Developing AI-Fluent Auditors [00:31:34-00:33:34] Final Thoughts [00:33:35-00:34:07] Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Best Practices: Internal Audit Upskilling for Critical AI Capabilities Global Internal Audit Standards Vison 2035 Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E91
July 14 · 27 min
Skills for the Modern Internal Auditor
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, we're getting into the daily realities of modern internal auditing — the messy, practical, and sometimes uncomfortable challenges that don't always make it onto conference agendas. Jas Gill sits down with Asim Fareeduddin to talk through what's shaping internal audit. Fareeduddin shares why business acumen is the hardest skill to hire for, how to think about AI beyond the basics, and why understanding how your company makes, and could lose, money is the foundation of every valuable audit. HOST: Jasdeep Gill, CIA, CISA, CISM, CFE Senior Manager, Internal Audit and Assurance, RELX GUEST: Asim Fareeduddin, CISA, CPA, CISM, CIPP, CISSP Head of Internal Audit and Assurance, RELX KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:02-00:00:50] Geopolitical Instability and Flexible Audit Planning [00:00:50-00:02:43] Cyber Risk, Upskilling, and Second-Line Collaboration [00:02:43-00:05:31] Auditing Culture and Behavior [00:05:31-00:07:05] Measuring Internal Audit Impact [00:07:05-00:10:04] Business Acumen and the Future Audit Talent Profile [00:10:04-00:12:36] Upskilling Through AI, Training, and Practical Exposure [00:12:36-00:14:45] Competing for Top Talent [00:14:45-00:17:29] Skills for the Modern Internal Auditor [00:17:29-00:21:31] Building Professional Courage and Trust [00:21:31-00:24:50] Commercial Curiosity and Understanding Revenue Risk [00:24:50-00:27:44] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Cybersecurity Topical Requirement Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence Communicating with the Board: Turning Audit Insights Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E90
July 7 · 21 min
Auditing the Auditors: Building Internal Audit at KPMG
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Charles King sits down with Becky Mann to discuss what it takes to build and evolve an internal audit function inside a global firm. They share lessons from leading internal audit through disruption, how to structure teams around the business, and why auditors must move beyond rigid audit plans to deliver real value. HOST: Charles King, CIA, CRMA, CISSP, CISA AI and Internal Audit Leader, KPMG GUEST: Becky Mann, CIA Chief Audit Executive, KPMG KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:00-00:00:44] Becky Mann's Internal Audit Background [00:00:44-00:02:06] Leading Internal Audit Through COVID-19 [00:02:06-00:03:18] KPMG's Internal Audit Function and Scope [00:03:18-00:05:35] Building Teams Around the Business [00:05:35-00:07:49] Learning to Pivot From the Audit Plan [00:07:49-00:09:21] Structuring Audit Portfolios [00:09:21-00:10:41] Rotations and Guest Auditor Programs [00:10:41-00:11:16] Onboarding Guest Auditors [00:11:16-00:13:55] Engaging the Board and Executive Stakeholders [00:13:55-00:16:36] Aligning Expectations and Avoiding Surprises [00:16:36-00:16:59] Why Internal Audit Still Matters [00:16:59-00:19:27] Choosing the Right Risk Response [00:19:27-00:20:31] Final Thoughts [00:20:31-00:20:54] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Communicating with the Board: Turning Audit Insights into Impact Three Lines Model Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E89
June 30 · 15 min
The IIA's New Global Chair on What the Profession Needs Now
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this special episode of All Things Internal Audit, Anthony Pugliese sits down with IIA Global Board Chair Stacey Schabel to discuss her leadership theme for the year: Risk-Focused, Future-Ready. Drawing on more than 25 years of experience in audit and risk leadership, Schabel shares her vision for helping internal auditors navigate an increasingly complex risk environment shaped by AI, cyber threats, geopolitical uncertainty, and rapid technological change. The conversation explores the evolving role of internal audit, the importance of developing future-ready skills, and what success looks like for the profession in the year ahead. HOST: Anthony Pugliese, CIA, CPA President and CEO, The IIA GUEST: Stacey Schabel, CIA, CPA Senior Vice President and Global Head of Operational Risk, Reinsurance Group of America Chair, The IIA Global Board of Directors KEY POINTS: Introduction and Stacey Schabel's Background [00:00:00-00:02:08] Risk-Focused, Future-Ready: The Theme for the Year [00:02:08-00:02:57] How the Risk Landscape Is Changing [00:02:57-00:03:41] What It Means to Be Risk-Focused and Future-Ready [00:03:41-00:04:52] Opportunities and Challenges for the Profession [00:04:52-00:07:13] Advice for Emerging Internal Audit Leaders [00:07:13-00:08:16] Staying Curious and Understanding Risk [00:08:16-00:09:24] Embracing Technology, AI, and Mentorship [00:09:24-00:10:16] Building Influence Through Trust and Credibility [00:10:16-00:10:45] What Success Would Look Like as Global Board Chair [00:10:45-00:12:14] Advancing AI Readiness and Integrated Assurance [00:12:14-00:12:43] Inspiring the Next Generation of Internal Auditors [00:12:43-00:13:30] Ensuring Every Voice Is Heard Across the Profession [00:13:30-00:15:00] Final Thoughts [00:15:00-00:15:21] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Leadership Profile: Stacey L. Schabel Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 AI Knowledge Center Three Lines Model The Institute of Internal Auditors Leadership Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E88
June 23 · 26 min
Why a General Counsel Pursued the Certified Internal Auditor (CIA)
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Christina Brune sits down with Randolph Sergent, executive vice president and general counsel at CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield, to discuss why he decided to pursue the Certified Internal Auditor (CIA) designation despite spending his career in the legal profession. Sergent shares how earning the CIA helped him better understand audit planning, enterprise risk management, and the role of internal audit within an organization. The conversation also explores leadership, continuous learning, professional development, and why executives should invest in understanding the functions they support. HOST: Christina Brune Director of Certifications Outreach and Engagement, Institute of Internal Auditors GUEST: Randolph Sergent, CIA Executive Vice President and General Counsel, CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield KEY POINTS: Introduction and Career Journey [00:00:42-00:01:15] Why a General Counsel Pursued the CIA [00:01:16-00:03:00] What He Learned About Internal Audit and Standards [00:03:01-00:05:00] How the CIA Improved Conversations With the CAE [00:05:01-00:07:25] Balancing Executive Leadership and CIA Studies [00:07:26-00:10:00] Customer Service and Communication in Internal Audit [00:10:01-00:11:04] Study Strategy and Preparing for the Exams [00:11:05-00:12:14] Enterprise Risk Management and Audit Planning [00:12:15-00:13:59] How Audit Knowledge Changed Leadership Conversations [00:14:00-00:14:51] Creating a Culture of Continuous Learning [00:14:52-00:17:01] Leading by Example as an Executive [00:17:02-00:18:14] Why Leaders Should Invest in Understanding Their Teams [00:18:15-00:21:16] Advice for Executives Considering the CIA [00:21:17-00:22:49] Thoughts on the CIA Challenge Exam [00:22:50-00:24:34] Final Thoughts on Career Growth and Lifelong Learning [00:24:35-00:25:30 IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: CIA Challenge Exam Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Become a Certified Internal Auditor (CIA) IAP (Internal Audit Practitioner) Certification Candidate Handbook Certificate Programs Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E87
June 16 · 17 min
2026 North American Pulse Report: What Internal Audit Leaders Need to Know
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Deborah Poulalion and Andy Cook break down key findings from the 2026 North American Pulse of Internal Audit report. They discuss tightening budgets, staffing pressures, the growing importance of strategic alignment, and how audit teams are balancing assurance work with increasing technology and compliance demands. The conversation also highlights industry trends and what audit leaders should prioritize moving forward. HOST: Deborah Poulalion, IAP Senior Manager, Research & Insights, The IIA GUEST: Andy Cook, CIA Director of Professional Guidance, Financial Services, The IIA KEY POINTS: Introduction and Survey Overview [00:00:34-00:02:08] 2026 Budget Trends and Funding Pressures [00:02:09-00:04:24] Financial Services as the Budget Outlier [00:04:25-00:05:31] Staffing Challenges and Hiring Constraints [00:05:32-00:07:59] The Link Between Strategic Alignment and Funding [00:08:00-00:11:26] Operational Auditing Remains a Core Priority [00:11:27-00:12:24] Compliance Demands and Sarbanes-Oxley Commitments [00:12:25-00:13:23] Technology, Cybersecurity, and IT Audit Focus [00:13:24-00:14:36] Balancing Assurance and Advisory Work [00:14:37-00:16:10] Final Takeaways from the 2026 Pulse Report [00:16:11-00:16:36] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: 2026 North American Pulse of Internal Audit Global Internal Audit Standards Standards Knowledge Center IIA Research & Reports Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E86
June 9 · 7 min
Checks Payable to Deception
All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast "Checks Payable to Deception" Listen to The IIA's Fraud Podcast, brought to you by All Things Internal Audit. The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine's Fraud department. In this episode, A senior living facility's business manager exploits the trust of vulnerable elderly residents. The long-term deception involves as many as 104 residents or their families and more than $1.6 million. Access the full article here. Read the June issue here. Interested in more fraud-related topics? Earn CPEs by registering for The IIA's Fraud Analytics for Internal Auditors Certificate, available online and in-person. Chapters: Introduction to the Case (00:00:00) Part 1: The Person Everyone Trusted (00:00:25) Part 2: The Charges That Did Not Add Up (00:01:25) Part 3: The Company Behind the Checks (00:02:43) Part 4: The True Scope (00:04:26) Part 5: The Question That Remained (00:05:43) Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple PodcastsSpotify Youtube LibsynDeezer
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S3 · E85
June 2 · 26 min
Beyond the Three Lines: How AI Can Finally Make Combined Assurance Work
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech In this companion episode to Internal Auditor magazine's "Better Together" article, Paula Michaels talks with Ashwathama Rajendran about how AI can support more connected, continuous, and coordinated assurance across the three lines. They discuss why combined assurance can be difficult to achieve in practice, how AI can act as a connecting layer across risk, compliance, operations, and internal audit, and why human judgment, independence, and data privacy remain critical. HOST: Paula Michaels Senior Director of Creative and Content Services, The IIA GUESTS: Ashwathama Rajendran Data Analytics Lead, Stripe All opinions are Ashwathama Rajendran's own and do not represent his employer, and all scenarios discussed are hypothetical and based on broad industry experience rather than any specific organization. KEY POINTS: Introduction and Ash's Background [00:00:30 - 00:02:05] Why Combined Assurance Struggles in Practice [00:02:17 - 00:04:21] AI as a Connecting Layer Across the Three Lines [00:04:33 - 00:06:29] Creating Real-Time Combined Assurance Maps [00:05:37 - 00:06:09] Continuous Monitoring Integration and AI [00:06:30 - 00:09:07] Using AI to Detect Cross-Functional Risks Earlier [00:09:07 - 00:11:20] Translating Risk Taxonomies Across Functions [00:11:29 - 00:13:35] Maintaining Auditor Independence and AI Governance [00:13:35 - 00:16:52] Roles of the Three Lines in AI Oversight [00:16:52 - 00:18:01] Where Organizations Should Start with AI-Enabled Combined Assurance [00:18:01 - 00:20:31] Internal Audit as a Catalyst for AI Adoption [00:20:31 - 00:22:35] How AI Will Change Internal Auditing Over the Next Five Years [00:22:35 - 00:25:17] Final Thoughts [00:25:17 - 00:25:49 Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Better Together — Internal Auditor Magazine (June Issue) Pulse Check: Combined Assurance Knowledge Center: Artificial Intelligence The Three Lines Model Vison 2035 Global Internal Audit Standards Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E84
May 26 · 35 min
Internal Audit Awareness Month: The Stories We Don't Always Tell
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this Internal Audit Awareness Month special, internal audit leaders share the human side of the profession. Through stories of resistance, difficult findings, stakeholder trust, courage, and career-defining moments, the episode highlights how internal auditors add value by building relationships, asking better questions, and helping organizations see what they might otherwise miss. HOST: Catie Brown Associate Manager & Producer, Content Development, The IIA GUESTS Asim Fareeduddin, CPA, CISA, CISM, CIPP, CISSP Head of Internal Audit & Assurance, RELX Ashanti Clark, CIA Executive Advisor, FedEx Express Corporation Jasdeep Gill, CIA, CISA, CISM, CFE Senior Manager, Internal Audit & Assurance, RELX Aadesh Gandhre, CIA, CISA Chief Audit Executive, DTCC Chad Bourque, CIA Global Director of Enterprise Risk Management, Gallagher Benefits Services Nam Phong Ho, CIA, CISA, CFE, CRMA, QILM, MBA Former Chief Audit Executive, Glencore / Independent Advisor KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:02-00:01:42] Navigating Internal Audit Resistance [00:01:42-00:05:34] Preparing for Difficult Conversations [00:05:34-00:08:05] Emotional Intelligence and Cultural Awareness [00:08:05-00:09:53] Delivering Difficult Audit Findings [00:09:53-00:14:28] Leadership During Challenging Audit Moments [00:14:28-00:16:38] Communicating the "So What" [00:16:38-00:19:42] Active Listening and Stakeholder Trust [00:19:42-00:22:53] Building Real Relationships [00:22:53-00:24:21] Demonstrating Internal Audit's Business Value [00:24:21-00:27:48] Courage and Career Growth in Internal Audit [00:27:48-00:29:51] Internal Audit as a Mission [00:29:51-00:31:52] Reflecting on Value After Every Audit [00:31:52-00:32:48] Sharing Internal Audit Successes [00:32:48-00:33:41] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: Discover Internal Audit Certifications May Sale Internal Audit Month Global Awareness Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Career Center Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E83
May 20 · 20 min
IT Controls Automation: Where Internal Audit Can Lead the Shift
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Mike Levy sits down with Reebu George to get practical about one of the most significant shifts underway in internal audit right now: the automation of IT controls. They talk through where this shift is happening, what use cases are proving their value, and how internal audit can lead the conversation rather than wait for the business to figure it out first. HOST: Mike Levy, CIA, CRMA, CISSP CEO, Cherry Hill Advisory GUEST: Reebu George, CISSP, CISA, PMP Audit & Assurance Managing Director, IT Internal Audit Leader, Deloitte & Touche LLP KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00:02-00:00:47] The Shift Toward Continuous Auditing [00:00:47-00:02:26] How Automation Is Changing IT Controls [00:02:26-00:04:54] Building an Internal Audit Digital Strategy [00:05:39-00:07:09] Where Internal Audit Teams Should Start [00:07:09-00:09:33] Using AI and Automation in Audit Workflows [00:09:33-00:10:04] Earning a Seat at the Table [00:10:04-00:11:35] Developing Talent for Advisory Conversations [00:11:35-00:12:23] Rule-Based Controls and Automation Opportunities [00:12:23-00:13:45] Governance Risks in Automated Controls [00:13:45-00:15:39] Selling the Value of Automation [00:15:39-00:18:37] The Future of Continuous Assurance [00:18:37-00:19:49] Closing [00:19:52-00:20:23] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: IT General Controls Certificate Program Knowledge Centers: Artificial Intelligence Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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S3 · E82
May 13 · 24 min
Greenwashing and Internal Audit: Governance, Risk, and the Growing Regulatory Crackdown
The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit In this episode, Ahmed Sharif Hawky and Emmanuel Pascal discuss why greenwashing is no longer just a reputational risk, but also a governance and assurance challenge. Together they break down how greenwashing qualifies as legal misrepresentation, why most control environments are far weaker than leadership realizes, and what a practical audit approach looks like — from mapping sustainability claims across channels to using data analytics and intensity ratios to test what companies report and what they don't. HOST: Dr. Ahmed Shawky, CIA, CPA CEO, SustainGRC GUEST: Emmanuel Pascal, CIA, CRMA, CFE CEO, Condor Strike Member, Committee of Research and Education Advisors, Internal Audit Foundation KEY POINTS: Introduction [00:00-00:00:50] Defining Greenwashing [00:00:50-00:02:14] Political Backlash vs. Regulatory Reality [00:02:16-00:03:21] Greenwashing as Misrepresentation [00:03:24-00:06:13] Global Greenwashing Regulations [00:06:13-00:07:16] Greenwashing as Value Fraud [00:07:22-00:11:07] Assessing Greenwashing Risk [00:11:14-00:13:49] Green Strategy and Red Flags [00:13:50-00:14:48] Using Data Analytics to Test Sustainability Claims [00:14:48-00:18:10] Building a Strong Control Framework [00:18:13-00:19:27] Internal Audit's Approach to Greenwashing Risk [00:19:27-00:20:58] Training Auditors on Sustainability [00:20:58-00:21:52] DWS Greenwashing Case [00:21:52-00:23:42] 2026 International Conference Promo [00:23:47-00:24:18] Closing [00:24:25-00:24:34] IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources: 2026 IIA International Conference Knowledge Centers: Environmental, Social, and Governance Global Internal Audit Standards Vision 2035 Global Perspectives & Insights: Sustainability All Things Internal Audit: Unmasking Greenwashing On the Frontlines: Greenwashing and Closing the Authenticity Gap Five Questions: Preventing Greenwashing Fighting Greenwashing Fraud Using Data Analytics Visit The IIA's website or YouTube channel for related topics and more. Follow All Things Internal Audit: Apple Podcasts Spotify Libsyn Deezer
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